Message-ID: <1399383246.8767.99.camel@empanada>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2014 08:34:06 -0500
From:	Tom Zanussi <tom.zanussi@...ux.intel.com>
To:	Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@...il.com>
Cc:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: A reduced Linux network stack for small systems

On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 09:25 +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org> wrote:
> > There has been a lot of interest recently to run Linux on very small systems,
> > like Quark systems. These may have only 2-4MB memory. They are also limited
> > by flash space.
> >
> > One problem on these small system is the size of the network stack.
> > Currently enabling IPv4 costs about 400k in text, which is prohibitive on
> > a 2MB system, and very expensive with 4MB.
> >
> > There were proposals to instead use LWIP in user space. LWIP with
> > its socket interface comes in at a bit over 100k overhead per application.
> >
> > I maintain that the Linux network stack is actually not that bloated,
> > it just has a lot of features :-)  The goal of this project was to
> > subset it in a sensible way so that the native kernel stack becomes
> > competitive with LWIP.
> >
> > It turns out that the standard stack has a couple of features that
> > are not really needed on client systems. Luckily it is also
> > relatively well modularized, so it becomes possible to stub
> > out these features at the edge.
> >
> > With removing these features we still have a powerful TCP/IP stack,
> > but one that fits better into small systems.
> >
> > It would have been prohibitive to ifdef every optional feature.
> > This patchkit relies heavily on LTO to effectively remove unused
> > code. This allows to disable features only at the module boundaries,
> > and rely on the compiler to drop unreferenced code and data.
> >
> > A few features have been also reimplemented in a simpler way.
> > And I shrank a number of data structures based on CONFIG_BASE_SMALL.
> >
> > With these changes I can get a fully featured network stack down
> > to about 170k with LTO. Without LTO there are also benefits,
> > but somewhat less.
> >
> > There are essentially three sensible configurations:
> > - Full featured like today.
> > - Client only subset, but still works with standard distribution userland.
> > Remove some obscure features like fastopen, make all tables smaller,
> > packet socket mmap code, use a simpler routing table, remove
> > high speed networking features like RPX, XPS, GRO offload.
> > Disable SNMP, TCP metrics
> > - Minimal subset for deeply embedded systems that can use special userland.
> > Remove rtnetlink (ioctl only), remove ethtool, raw sockets.
> >
> > Right now I'm using own Kconfigs for every removed features. I realize
> > this somewhat increases the compile test matrix. It would be possible
> > to hide some of the options and select them using higher level
> > configurations like the ones listed above. I haven't done this
> > in this version.
> >
> > At this point I'm mainly interested in review and comments.
> >
> > Git trees:
> >
> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc net/debloat
> > Main tree
> >
> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc net/debloat-3.14
> > 3.14 based tree.
> >
> > Thanks to Tom Zanussi for contributions and testing.
> 
> What kind of userspace do you use on such a small system?
> It looks like you run kernels without procfs and netlink, so not even
> ps would work. :)
> 

The microYocto 'distro' I have running with these net-diet patches
doesn't use a full procfs, but a pared-down version (CONFIG_PROCFS_MIN).
Keeping ps working is of course essential, and it does that (along with
a couple other things like /proc/filesystems and /proc/mounts I needed
to boot):

https://github.com/tzanussi/linux-yocto-micro-3.14/commit/68379432afcfa82ac695d9f02892fcf48ade5ae8

Anyway all the userspace and kernel bits are available for anyone who
wants to build it and try it out:

https://github.com/tzanussi/meta-galileo/blob/daisy/meta-galileo/README

It's very much a work-in-progress with a lot of rough edges, but it is a
fully functional system on real hardware (Galileo board/Quark processor)
with a usable shell (ps too!) and web server running on a kernel with
native networking and ~ 750k text size.

Tom




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