Message-ID: <1399390490.8767.122.camel@empanada>
Date:	Tue, 06 May 2014 10:34:50 -0500
From:	Tom Zanussi <tom.zanussi@...ux.intel.com>
To:	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:	Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@...il.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: A reduced Linux network stack for small systems

On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 08:20 -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Tom Zanussi <tom.zanussi@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 09:25 +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org> wrote:
> >> > There has been a lot of interest recently to run Linux on very small systems,
> >> > like Quark systems. These may have only 2-4MB memory. They are also limited
> >> > by flash space.
> >> >
> >> > One problem on these small system is the size of the network stack.
> >> > Currently enabling IPv4 costs about 400k in text, which is prohibitive on
> >> > a 2MB system, and very expensive with 4MB.
> >> >
> >> > There were proposals to instead use LWIP in user space. LWIP with
> >> > its socket interface comes in at a bit over 100k overhead per application.
> >> >
> >> > I maintain that the Linux network stack is actually not that bloated,
> >> > it just has a lot of features :-)  The goal of this project was to
> >> > subset it in a sensible way so that the native kernel stack becomes
> >> > competitive with LWIP.
> >> >
> >> > It turns out that the standard stack has a couple of features that
> >> > are not really needed on client systems. Luckily it is also
> >> > relatively well modularized, so it becomes possible to stub
> >> > out these features at the edge.
> >> >
> >> > With removing these features we still have a powerful TCP/IP stack,
> >> > but one that fits better into small systems.
> >> >
> >> > It would have been prohibitive to ifdef every optional feature.
> >> > This patchkit relies heavily on LTO to effectively remove unused
> >> > code. This allows to disable features only at the module boundaries,
> >> > and rely on the compiler to drop unreferenced code and data.
> >> >
> >> > A few features have been also reimplemented in a simpler way.
> >> > And I shrank a number of data structures based on CONFIG_BASE_SMALL.
> >> >
> >> > With these changes I can get a fully featured network stack down
> >> > to about 170k with LTO. Without LTO there are also benefits,
> >> > but somewhat less.
> >> >
> >> > There are essentially three sensible configurations:
> >> > - Full featured like today.
> >> > - Client only subset, but still works with standard distribution userland.
> >> > Remove some obscure features like fastopen, make all tables smaller,
> >> > packet socket mmap code, use a simpler routing table, remove
> >> > high speed networking features like RPX, XPS, GRO offload.
> >> > Disable SNMP, TCP metrics
> >> > - Minimal subset for deeply embedded systems that can use special userland.
> >> > Remove rtnetlink (ioctl only), remove ethtool, raw sockets.
> >> >
> >> > Right now I'm using own Kconfigs for every removed features. I realize
> >> > this somewhat increases the compile test matrix. It would be possible
> >> > to hide some of the options and select them using higher level
> >> > configurations like the ones listed above. I haven't done this
> >> > in this version.
> >> >
> >> > At this point I'm mainly interested in review and comments.
> >> >
> >> > Git trees:
> >> >
> >> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc net/debloat
> >> > Main tree
> >> >
> >> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ak/linux-misc net/debloat-3.14
> >> > 3.14 based tree.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to Tom Zanussi for contributions and testing.
> >>
> >> What kind of userspace do you use on such a small system?
> >> It looks like you run kernels without procfs and netlink, so not even
> >> ps would work. :)
> >>
> >
> > The microYocto 'distro' I have running with these net-diet patches
> > doesn't use a full procfs, but a pared-down version (CONFIG_PROCFS_MIN).
> > Keeping ps working is of course essential, and it does that (along with
> > a couple other things like /proc/filesystems and /proc/mounts I needed
> > to boot):
> >
> > https://github.com/tzanussi/linux-yocto-micro-3.14/commit/68379432afcfa82ac695d9f02892fcf48ade5ae8
> >
> > Anyway all the userspace and kernel bits are available for anyone who
> > wants to build it and try it out:
> >
> > https://github.com/tzanussi/meta-galileo/blob/daisy/meta-galileo/README
> >
> > It's very much a work-in-progress with a lot of rough edges, but it is a
> > fully functional system on real hardware (Galileo board/Quark processor)
> > with a usable shell (ps too!) and web server running on a kernel with
> > native networking and ~ 750k text size.
> 
> Intel Galileo datasheet says:
> - 400MHz 32bit Intel
> - 512 KBytes of on-die embedded SRAM
> - 256 MByte DRAM, enabled by the firmware by default
> 
> where did 2-4Mbyte restriction come from?
> 

General 'order-of-magnitude' difference from the typical 'tiny distro'
which typically targets about 16MB, so sort of arbitrary, but it's a
nice round goal for similar systems I'm sure are coming.

Actually, a better goal would be to run only on the 512k SRAM, but let's
start with something more achievable for a first cut.

> Anyway, with all these hacks you get a half functional kernel with "a
> lot of rough edges"

'work-in-progress' see above.

> that is likely working only for the given very limited set of applications.
> Kernel function profiling can potentially achieve the same thing.
> Profile the kernel with the set of apps and then prune all cold
> functions out of kernel.

Right, and are Profile-Guided-Optimization results now reproduceable?
Better change it to Trace-Guided-Optimization.  But yeah, for a
single-purpose system where it's known exactly what will run for the
lifetime of the system, it makes sense to get rid of all the codepaths
that will never be hit.

> config explosion and LTO is unnecessary. Just some linker hacks.
> Obviously such kernel will also be half functional,
> but you'll get big reduction in .text that it seems is the goal of this project.


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