linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 0/6] seccomp: add PR_SECCOMP_EXT and SECCOMP_EXT_ACT

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Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2014 16:08:30 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	James Morris <james.l.morris@...cle.com>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Will Drewry <wad@...omium.org>, Julien Tinnes <jln@...gle.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...mgrid.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/6] seccomp: add PR_SECCOMP_EXT and SECCOMP_EXT_ACT_TSYNC

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you be willing to carry this series? Andy Lutomirski appears
>>>>> happy with it now. (Thanks again for all the feedback Andy!) If so, it
>>>>> has a relatively small merge conflict with the bpf changes living in
>>>>> net-next. Would you prefer I rebase against net-next, let sfr handle
>>>>> it, get carried in net-next, or some other option?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm still not entirely convinced that we want to have this much
>>>> multiplexing in a prctl, and I'm still a bit unconvinced that the code
>>>
>>> I don't want to get caught without interface argument flexibility
>>> again, so that's why the prctl interface is being set up that way.
>>
>> I was thinking that a syscall might be a lot prettier.  It may pay to
>> cc linux-api, too.
>>
>> I'll offer you a deal: if you try to come up with a nice, clean
>> syscall, I'll try to write a fast(er) path for x86_64 to reduce
>> overhead.  I bet I can save 90-100ns per syscall. :)
>
> Now added to the Cc.
>
> Which path do you mean to improve? Neither the prctl nor a syscall for
> this would need to be fast at all.

Non-seccomp-related syscalls when seccomp is enabled.

>
> I don't want to go in circles on this. I've been there before on my
> VFS link hardening series, and my module restriction series. I would
> like consensus from more than just one person. :)

I can't offer you anyone else's review, unfortunately :-/

>
> I'd like to hear from other folks on this (akpm?). My instinct is to
> continue using prctl since that is already where mediation for seccomp
> happens. I don't see why prctl vs a new syscall makes a difference
> here, frankly.

Aesthetics?  There's a tendency for people to get annoyed at big
multiplexed APIs, and your patches will be doubly multiplexed.

TBH, I care more about the atomicity thing than about the actual form
of the API.

--Andy

>
> -Kees
>
> --
> Kees Cook
> Chrome OS Security



-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC
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