linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 6/7] sched: add function nr_running_cpu to expose number of tasks running on cpu

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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1407152244310.24854@nanos>
Date:	Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:46:45 +0200 (CEST)
From:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
To:	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com>
cc:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	"David S.Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Chandramouli Narayanan <mouli@...ux.intel.com>,
	Vinodh Gopal <vinodh.gopal@...el.com>,
	James Guilford <james.guilford@...el.com>,
	Wajdi Feghali <wajdi.k.feghali@...el.com>,
	Jussi Kivilinna <jussi.kivilinna@....fi>,
	linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/7] sched: add function nr_running_cpu to expose
 number of tasks running on cpu

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 14:59 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:50:45AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > So you already have an idle notifier (which is x86 only, we should fix
> > > > that I suppose), and you then double check there really isn't anything
> > > > else running.
> > > 
> > > Note that we've already done a large part of the expense of going idle
> > > by the time we call that idle notifier -- in specific, we've
> > > reprogrammed the clock to stop the tick.
> > > 
> > > Its really wasteful to then generate work again, which means we have to
> > > again reprogram the clock etc.
> > 
> > Doing anything which is not related to idle itself in the idle
> > notifier is just plain wrong.
> 
> I don't like the kicking the multi-buffer job flush using idle_notifier
> path either.  I'll try another version of the patch by doing this in the
> multi-buffer job handler path.
>  
> > 
> > If that stuff wants to utilize idle slots, we really need to come up
> > with a generic and general solution. Otherwise we'll grow those warts
> > all over the architecture space, with slightly different ways of
> > wreckaging the world an some more.
> > 
> > This whole attidute of people thinking that they need their own
> > specialized scheduling around the real scheduler is a PITA. All this
> > stuff is just damanging any sensible approach of power saving, load
> > balancing, etc.
> > 
> > What we really want is infrastructure, which allows the scheduler to
> > actively query the async work situation and based on the results
> > actively decide when to process it and where.
> 
> I agree with you.  It will be great if we have such infrastructure. 

You are heartly invited to come up with that. :)
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