linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/3] watchdog: control hard lockup detection default

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Message-ID: <146661093.17248776.1406202294303.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>
Date:	Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Ulrich Obergfell <uobergfe@...hat.com>
To:	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
Cc:	Andrew Jones <drjones@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	kvm@...r.kernel.org, dzickus@...hat.com, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	mingo@...hat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] watchdog: control hard lockup detection default

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@...hat.com>
>To: "Ulrich Obergfell" <uobergfe@...hat.com>
>Cc: "Andrew Jones" <drjones@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org, dzickus@...hat.com, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, >mingo@...hat.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:26:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] watchdog: control hard lockup detection default
>
>Il 24/07/2014 13:18, Ulrich Obergfell ha scritto:
>>>> >> The running kernel still has the ability to enable/disable at any
>>>> >> time with /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog us usual. However even
>>>> >> when the default has been overridden /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
>>>> >> will initially show '1'. To truly turn it on one must disable/enable
>>>> >> it, i.e.
>>>> >>   echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
>>>> >>   echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
>>> >
>>> > Why is it hard to make this show the right value? :)
>>> >
>>> > Paolo
>> 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog' enables both - hard lockup and
>> soft lockup detection. watchdog_enable_all_cpus() starts a 'watchdog/N'
>> thread for each CPU. If the kernel runs on a bare metal system where the
>> processor does not have a PMU, or when perf_event_create_kernel_counter()
>> returns failure to watchdog_nmi_enable(), or when the kernel runs as a
>> guest on a hypervisor that does not emulate a PMU, then the 'watchdog/N'
>> threads are still active for soft lockup detection. Patch 2/3 essentially
>> makes watchdog_nmi_enable() behave in the same way as if -ENOENT would
>> have been returned by perf_event_create_kernel_counter(). This is then
>> reported via a console message.
>> 
>>   NMI watchdog: disabled (cpu0): hardware events not enabled
>> 
>> It's hard say what _is_ 'the right value' (because lockup detection is
>> then enabled 'partially'), regardless of whether patch 2/3 is applied
>> or not.
>
> But this means that it is not possible to re-enable softlockup detection
> only.  I think that should be the effect of echo 0 + echo 1, if
> hardlockup detection was disabled by either the command line or patch 3.
>
> Paolo

The idea was to give the user two options to override the effect of patch 3/3.
Either via the kernel command line ('nmi_watchdog=') at boot time or via /proc
('echo 0' + 'echo 1') when the system is up and running.

Regards,

Uli
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