Date:	Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:53:42 -0700
From:	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@...il.com>
To:	Boris BREZILLON <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com>
Cc:	Matthieu CASTET <matthieu.castet@...rot.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
	linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org, Lee Jones <lee.jones@...aro.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mtd: nand: define struct nand_timings

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:16:07PM +0200, Boris BREZILLON wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:56:50 +0200 Matthieu CASTET <matthieu.castet@...rot.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > > 
> > > > I did a similar patch [1] (that wasn't merged :( ), and I used reduced
> > > > timing info.
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry it didn't make it to mainline, do you know why ?
> > For the omap part there was a gpmc code rewrite that conflict with the
> > patch.
> > For the mtd stuff, I don't know/remember (I think for was no reply).

Likely. Even today (with me spending more time on MTD), things can still
fall through the cracks :(

> > > Could you point out where "reduced timing info" is defined in the ONFI
> > > specification ?
> > It is not defined on onfi.
> > This was more a simplification of timings in order to simplify the
> > driver side (avoid code duplication). Most controller allow to control
> > nRE and nWE pulse and the setup time.
> > 
> > Do you have drivers that use onfi timings ?
[...]

I have hardware which can use a few timings (tWP, tWH, tRP, tREH, tCS,
tCLH, tALH, tADL, tCCS, tWB, tWHR, tREAD). I don't currently optimize
the timings in my driver, but this work could be useful.

> > > > I also have support for the omap driver
> > > > (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/88606/match=) and
> > > > a controller we use in our chip (not upstream).
> > > 
> > > It should be pretty easy to convert the full timings list into a
> > > reduced one (actually, that's what your patch is doing), and you can
> > > thus port your work on top of these patches.
> > Yes I think an helper will be useful in order to help driver to use
> > these timings.
> > It can be a function that return the reduced version for a onfi mode
> > and edo support.
> 
> I'm not against the helper function (Brian, any opinion), but I'm not
> sure we should call these timings "reduced onfi timings" as they are
> not defined in the ONFI spec.

No argument against a simplifying helper. I think it's good to get the
full timings, but if drivers need some similar computations to calculate
more helpful timings, then that sounds like a good idea.

I agree we should avoid the 'ONFI' name on things that aren't exactly
ONFI.

> > > Anyway, I'm not sure what you have in mind, but unless there is a strong
> > > reason to drop full timings in favor of reduced ones I'd like to
> > > keep them (even if this implies adding a new converter to get reduced
> > > timings list).
> > > 
> > No problem. I have nothing special in mind. I hope this could give ideas
> > how to use the onfi timings in mtd drivers (understanding how to use
> > ONFI timings can be tricky).
> > 
> 
> Okay, as I said I'm not opposed to a new helper function that provide
> what you called "reduced timings", so feel free to propose
> something ;-).

Yes, please! Sometime I'll take a closer look at Matthieu's old patch,
as well as Boris's initial sunxi NAND driver and my own hardware and see
if things align well enough. But patches are welcome. I just merged
Boris's stuff as a starting point (no one uses it yet), since similar
questions were coming up in another NAND driver submission (Lee Jone's
STMicro NANDi (?) driver).

Brian
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