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Date:	Fri, 25 Jul 2014 10:54:00 -0400
From:	Benjamin Tissoires <>
To:	Przemo Firszt <>
Cc:	Dmitry Torokhov <>,
	Jiri Kosina <>,
	Ping Cheng <>,
	Jason Gerecke <>,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] Input - wacom: conversion to HID driver, series

On Jul 25 2014 or thereabouts, Przemo Firszt wrote:
> Dnia 2014-07-25, piÄ… o godzinie 08:58 -0400, Benjamin Tissoires pisze:
> > Hi Przemo,
> Hi Benjamin,
> > On Jul 25 2014 or thereabouts, Przemo Firszt wrote:
> > > Dnia 2014-07-24, czw o godzinie 14:13 -0400, Benjamin Tissoires pisze:
> > > [..]
> > > > Hi Przemo,
> > > Hi Benjamin,
> > > > Normally, this series contains all the bits of hid-wacom (except the custom
> > > > LED/OLED API). Please tell me if I am missing anything and if you like the
> > > > change.
> > > 
> > > I can't cleanly apply your set yet to test it, so:
> > 
> > Hmm, you need to apply the first series I sent on July 15th, on top of
> > Dmitry's next branch.
> > 
> >
> > 
> OK, thnaks!
> > > Acked-by: Przemo Firszt <>
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > > 
> > > What's your plan about LED/OLED API? 
> > 
> > I thought I would only preserve the current, wider used, LED/OLED API and
> > just drop the one in hid-wacom. This way, g-s-d will access both
> > bluetooth and USB the same way.
> > 
> > My decision was mostly guided because the support of BT in g-s-d was
> > only added recently (3.12 and backported to gnome 3.10 IIRC). And as
> > soon as these patches hit Dmitry's tree, I'll send the g-s-d patches to
> > fix all that.
> If I understand you correctly we cannot have the same entry point in
> sysfs for OLEDs unless we can tell userspace somehow if the tablet is
> conected over USB or over bluetooth. The hardware of Intuos4 Wireless
> over bluetooth allows only 1-bit images. The same hardware over USB
> allows 4-bit images. Formatting of the images is also completely

Holy crap! I missed that. I did not noticed the 1-bit vs 4-bits
difference :(

> different and it's not "plain". Check [1] for usb and exisitng
> hid-wacom.c/wacom_scramble function for bluetooth.

Maybe I overlooked it, but I thought that in case of USB, the scrambling
is done in user space, and in case of BT, the same scrambling made in the
kernel. They looks very similar so I thought the user-space scramble for
USB would have fit. However, the 4-bits/1-bits kills that assumption.

> If we want to make it consistent single entry on kernel level we
> probably have to implement image conversion in the kernel. The user land
> would always use 4-bit, plain formatted images and kernel driver would
> convert them to 4-bit, wacom usb format or 1-bit wacom bluetooth format
> depending on how the tablet is connected.
> The downside of this approach is that the user land wouldn't have 100%
> control over 1-bit images for bluetooth as kernel would have to create
> them from 4-bit images.

The USB interface is *very* simple:
- if incoming data != 1024 -> reject
- forward everything to the device without in kernel treatment*

How about just changing the expected size to 256 in case of a BT tablet,
and let the user-space scramble in both cases and forward proper raw

This way, user space will still have control over 1-bit vs 4-bits, and
the changes required in the kernel will be small enough.

My concern is that I'd like to have this series in 3.17 and I will not
have access to the hardware until next week :/
Having all of the user-spaces breakages in the same kernel release will
I think simplify the user space work.


* speaking about that: I just noticed that hid-wacom sent the
  WAC_CMD_ICON_START_STOP message twice with 0 as the second parameter.
  However, the USB spec tells that you have to use 1 for 'start' and 0
  for 'stop'. Rather weird that this is working with both 0 in BT mode.

> [1]
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Przemo Firszt
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