Date:	Sat, 2 Aug 2014 21:05:15 +0200
From:	Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@...e-electrons.com>
To:	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>
Cc:	Vinod Koul <vinod.koul@...el.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	dmaengine@...r.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	Antoine Ténart <antoine@...e-electrons.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas@...e-electrons.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@...e-electrons.com>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris@...e-electrons.com>,
	Matt Porter <matt.porter@...aro.org>,
	laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com, ludovic.desroches@...el.com,
	Gregory Clement <gregory.clement@...e-electrons.com>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: dmaengine: Add a documentation for the
 dma controller API

On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 04:29:21PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 05:11:44PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 03:53:26PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > > >   - That might just be my experience, but judging from previous
> > > > > >     commits, DMA_PRIVATE is completely obscure, and we just set it
> > > > > >     because it was making it work, without knowing what it was
> > > > > >     supposed to do.
> > > > > 
> > > > > DMA_PRIVATE means that the channel is unavailable for async-tx operations
> > > > > - in other words, it's slave-only.  Setting it before registration results
> > > > > in the private-use count being incremented, disabling the DMA_PRIVATE
> > > > > manipulation in the channel request/release APIs (requested channels are
> > > > > unavailable for async-tx operations, which is why that flag is also set
> > > > > there.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > To put it another way, if a DMA engine driver only provides slave DMA
> > > > > support, it must set DMA_PRIVATE to mark the channel unavailable for
> > > > > async-tx operations.  If a DMA engine drivers channels can also be used
> > > > > for async-tx operations, then it should leave the flag clear.
> > > > 
> > > > What about channels that can be both used for slave operations and
> > > > async-tx (like memcpy) ?
> > > 
> > > Then you don't set DMA_PRIVATE when the DMA engine driver registers with
> > > the core.  That then allows the DMA engine core to manage the flag,
> > > setting it when the channel is allocated for slave usage.
> > 
> > Then I guess we currently have a bug related to this.
> > 
> > During the development of the A31 driver that recently got merged,
> > during two subsequent channel allocation, the second would fail if
> > DMA_PRIVATE wasn't set.
> > 
> > I think it was on in dmaengine_get, but I'll have to get back to you
> > on that whenever I'm back from my holydays.
> 
> I think you mean dma_chan_get().  dmaengine_get() is used to obtain
> references to the async_tx memcpy/crypto channels, and should not be used
> by a driver making use of the slave capabilities.

Like I said, I don't remember where the actual issue was lying, but
ignoring DMA_PRIVATE prevented to allocate two channels at the same
time in my case.

When I'll have access again to my board, I'll try to dig more into it.

> There two systems are slightly competitive between each other.  Slave
> stuff generally want to get hold of specific channels, whereas the
> async_tx stuff can generally do with any channel which provides the
> appropriate capabilities, and can switch between channels if it needs
> to perform a series of operations only supported by separate channels.
> 
> > You can also add vchan scheduling or descriptor allocations. The atmel
> > guys seem to have hit a performance issue with dma_pool_alloc, so they
> > re-developped a descriptor allocation mechanism in their driver. I
> > don't have much more details on this, but if that was to be true, that
> > would definitely be something that should be in the framework.
> 
> It is entirely legal for a dmaengine driver to maintain its own list of
> "free" transaction descriptors (that's actually what many async-tx
> drivers do) and is partly why there's the alloc_chan_resources and
> free_chan_resources callbacks.
> 
> However, they tend to be fairly large structures, and don't always
> match what the hardware wants, so using them to describe the individual
> scatterlist elements of a transaction is not always a good idea.

I was not really claiming it was illegal, but rather that it could be
useful for other drivers too.

> > vchan mapping to physical channels also seem to be quite common in the
> > drivers. That would be a nice addition too.
> 
> It's intentionally not in the vchan interface because that mapping is
> device specific.
> 
> For example, there are some DMA engine implementations where certain
> physical DMA channels should not be used because they have slightly
> different properties (for example, they can lock the CPU off the bus
> if they're permanently transferring data, such as in a memcpy or
> device-to-memory transfer where the device always has data available.)
> 
> In any case, I'm not interested in seeing vchan turning into another
> "layer" - it must remain a library.  Layers are bad news. :)

Yeah, I was assuming there would be such constraints. Still, handling
the trivial case where you can map any vchan to any free physical
channels is very painful, while at least a couple of drivers implement
the same dumb logic.

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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