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Date:	Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:26:00 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <>
To:	"Paul E. McKenney" <>
Cc:	Steven Rostedt <>,
	Oleg Nesterov <>,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period
 waiting for RCU-tasks

On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 08:00:31AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:45:44AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 03:45:18PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > But I still very much hate the polling stuff...
> > > 
> > > The nice thing about the polling approach is minimal overhead in the
> > > common case where RCU-tasks is not in use.
> > 
> > No, quite the reverse, there is overhead when its not in use, as opposed
> > to no overhead at all.
> Say what???
> > I'm still not convinced we need this 'generic' rcu-task stuff and create
> > yet another kthread with polling semantics, we want to let the system
> > idle out when there's nothing to do, not keep waking it up.
> Which is exactly what happens.  The kthread is created only at first
> use, so if no one uses RCU-tasks, then no kthread is created, see
>  Even if a kthread is created, if
> there is no more work for it to do, it sleeps indefinitely.  See for
> example

Ah, the 'full' patch I was staring at for reference did an unconditional

> > So do we really need the call_rcu_task() thing and why isn't something
> > like synchronize_tasks() good enough?
> Sounds like a question for Steven.
> > So the thing is, the one proposed user is very rare (*) and for that
> > you're adding overhead outside of that user (a separate kthread) and
> > your adding overhead when its not used.
> If that really was the case, that would be bad.  However, in the latest
> versions, that is no longer the case.
> > * I'm assuming that, since tracing is 'rare' and this is some tracing
> > thing.
> Another good point for Steven.

Yes.. and he's back now, so please :-)

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