Date:	Thu, 21 Aug 2014 19:08:53 +0200
From:	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
To:	Boris BREZILLON <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com>
Cc:	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@...il.com>,
	Ludovic Desroches <ludovic.desroches@...el.com>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@...el.com>,
	Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@...osoft.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@...e-electrons.com>,
	Andrew Victor <linux@...im.org.za>,
	David Airlie <airlied@...ux.ie>,
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	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@...ux.intel.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@...aro.org>,
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	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
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	Bo Shen <voice.shen@...el.com>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@...eaurora.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/11] drm: add support for Atmel HLCDC Display Controller

Hi Boris,

On Thursday 21 August 2014 15:06:00 Boris BREZILLON wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:52:03 +0200 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:41:59AM +0200, Boris BREZILLON wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:04:07 +0200 Thierry Reding wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:37:06AM +0200, Boris BREZILLON wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:16:19 +0200 Ludovic Desroches wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Boris,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You can add
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Tested-by: Ludovic Desroches <ludovic.desroches@...el.com>
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks for testing this driver.
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Only one issue but not related to your patches, you can't display
> >>>>> quickly the bootup logo since the panel detection takes too much
> >>>>> time.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yes, actually this is related to the device probe order: the
> >>>> hlcdc-display-controller device is probed before the simple-panel,
> >>>> thus nothing is detected on the RGB connector (I use
> >>>> of_drm_find_panel to check for panel availability) when the display
> >>>> controller is instantiated. I rely on the default polling
> >>>> infrastructure provided by the DRM/KMS framework which polls for a
> >>>> new connector every 10s, and this is far more than you kernel boot
> >>>> time.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Do anyone see a solution to reduce this delay (without changing the
> >>>> polling interval). I thought we could add a notifier infrastructure
> >>>> to the DRM panel framework, but I'm not sure this is how you want
> >>>> things done...
> >>> 
> >>> Other drivers return -EPROBE_DEFER when a panel hasn't been registered
> >>> yet. This will automatically take care of ordering things in a way
> >>> that DRM/KMS will only be initialized after the panel has been probed.
> >> 
> >> Actually I'd like to avoid doing this with a deferred probe, because,
> >> AFAIU, the remote endpoint is not tightly linked with the display
> >> controller driver (I mean the display controller can still be
> >> initialized without having a display connected on it).
> >> Moreover the atmel dev kit I'm using has an HDMI bridge connected on
> >> the same RGB connector and I'd like to use it in a near future.
> >> Returning -EPROBE_DEFER in case of several devices connected on the
> >> same connector implies that I'll have to wait for all the remote
> >> end-points to be available before my display controller could be
> >> instantiated.
> >> 
> >> While this could be acceptable when all drivers are statically linked
> >> in the kernel, it might be problematic when you're using modules,
> >> meaning that you won't be able to display anything on your LCD panel
> >> until your HDMI bridge module has been loaded.
> > 
> > No. HDMI should be using proper hotplugging anyway, hence it should be
> > always be loaded anyway. You're in for a world of pain if you think you
> > can run DRM with a driver that's composed of separate kernel modules.
> 
> I was talking about the external RGB to HDMI encoder, should the driver
> for this encoder (which is not on On Chip block) be compiled
> statically too ?

Given the move to multiplatform kernels we need to aim for as few modules 
compiled in as possible. I'd say this includes HDMI encoders, panels and 
display controllers.

> > Also if you don't want to use deferred probe, then you're in for the
> > full hotplugging panel dance and that implies that you need to fix a
> > bunch of things in DRM (one being the framebuffer console instantiation
> > that I referred to in the other thread).
> 
> For now, I wait until there is a device connected on the RGB connector
> (connector status set to connector_status_connected) before creating an
> fbdev. It might not be the cleanest way to solve this issue, but it
> works :-).

Do you create a new drm_encoder at runtime for the HDMI encoder when it 
appears ? I thought the DRM core and API were not able to correctly cope with 
that.

> > You also can't be using the current device tree bindings because they all
> > assume a dependency from the display controller/output to the panel. For
> > hotplugging you'd need the dependency the other way around (the panel
> > needs to refer to the output by phandle).
> 
> Here [1] is a proposal for notification support in the drm_panel
> infrastructure (which is not that complicated), and here [2] is how
> I use it in my atmel-hlcdc driver to generate hotplug events.

Is there a way we could use the component framework for that ? I know that 
partial notification isn't supported at the moment, but Russell agreed it was 
a real use case that should be implemented at some point.

> Let me know if you want me to submit a proper patch series...
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Boris
> 
> [1]http://code.bulix.org/scq4g3-86804
> [2]http://code.bulix.org/7dg501-86805

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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