Message-ID: <20140826101107.GC32315@leverpostej>
Date:	Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:11:07 +0100
From:	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
To:	Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de>
Cc:	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@...il.com>,
	"grant.likely@...aro.org" <grant.likely@...aro.org>,
	Jon Loeliger <jdl@....com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver
 initialization order based on the DT)

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:42:04AM +0100, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 26.08.2014 10:49, schrieb Thierry Reding:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:42:08AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:16 +0200, Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@...il.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> There are somewhat standardized bindings for the above and especially
> >>> for bindings of the type that clocks implement this is trivial. We can
> >>> simply iterate over each (phandle, specifier) tuple and check that the
> >>> corresponding clock provider can be resolved (which typically means that
> >>> it's been registered with the common clock framework).
> >>>
> >>> For regulators (and regulator-like bindings) the problem is somewhat
> >>> more difficult because they property names are not standardized. One way
> >>> to solve this would be to look for property names with a -supply suffix,
> >>> but that could obviously lead to false positives. One alternative that I
> >>> think could eliminate this would be to explicitly list dependencies in
> >>> drivers. This would allow core code to step through such a list and
> >>> resolve the (phandle, specifier) tuples.
> >>
> >> False positives and negatives may not actually be a problem. It is
> >> suboptimal, certainly, but it shouldn't outright break the kernel.
> >
> > There could be cases where some random integer in a cell could be
> > interpreted as a phandle and resolve to a struct device_node. I suppose
> > it might be unlikely, but not impossible, that the device_node could
> > even match a device in the correct subsystem and you'd get a wrong
> > dependency. Granted, a wrong dependency may not be catastrophic in that
> > it won't lead to a crash, but it could lead to various kinds of
> > weirdness and hard to diagnose problems.
> 
> You need either the type information in the DTB (that's why I've add 
> those "dependencies" to identify phandles), or you need to know every 
> binding (at "dependency-resolve-time" to identify phandles.

While having type information in the DTB would be fantastic, it's not
something we can expect from the systems already in the wild, and I
worry how it would interact with bootloaders that modify the DTB (I
don't know if any modify properties with phandles).

> The latter is impracticable to implement in a generic way (for use
> with every possible binding).

I don't think we necessarily need dependency information for every
binding and driver. We only need dependency information where a device
has a dependency on another device and we don't currently have an
explicit probe ordering guaranteed by Linux.

Where a device driver lacks dependency information and fails to probe,
we can fall back to the current deferred probing.

Do we have any worst case example systems / drivers / dts?

Thanks,
Mark.
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