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Date:	Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:42:16 +0100
From:	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
To:	Jason Cooper <jason@...edaemon.net>
Cc:	Matti Vaittinen <matti.vaittinen@....com>,
	ext Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
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	"rtc-linux@...glegroups.com" <rtc-linux@...glegroups.com>,
	Sverdlin Alexander <alexander.sverdlin@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rtc: ds1307: add trickle charger device tree binding

On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 01:24:52PM +0100, Jason Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:40:02AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:34:25AM +0100, Matti Vaittinen wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:40:34AM -0700, ext Guenter Roeck wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:28:42PM -0400, Jason Cooper wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 05:10:25PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 04:51:57PM +0100, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:59:15PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:42:44PM +0100, Matti Vaittinen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Patch adding support for specifying trickle charger setup from device
> > > > > > > > > > tree. Patch is based on linux-next tree.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Some DS13XX devices have "trickle chargers". Introduce a device tree binding
> > > > > > > > > > for specifying the setup and register values.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/rtc/dallas,ds1339.txt
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
> > > > > > > > > > +* Dallas DS1339		I2C Serial Real-Time Clock
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Required properties:
> > > > > > > > > > +- compatible: Should contain "dallas,ds1339".
> > > > > > > > > > +- reg: I2C address for chip
> > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > +Optional properties:
> > > > > > > > > > +- trickle_setup : Used Trickle Charger configuration,
> > > > > > > > > > +        corresponding to 5 lowest bits in trickle charger register.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The value is provided via platform data, so it is platform specific
> > > > > > > > and presumably needs to be configurable. I did, however, not find
> > > > > > > > a single in-kernel driver which is actually setting it.
> > > > > > > > So this is a good question.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm uncomfortable adding a field we don't understand to DT.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Is there any publicly-available documentation for the device?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Lots ;-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1307.pdf
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1337.pdf
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1338.pdf
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1339.pdf
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1340.pdf
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1388.pdf
> > > > > > http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS3231.pdf
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Code suggests that DS1339, DS1339, and DS1340 have the register.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Looking into the datasheets, the configuration consists of two parts:
> > > > > > - diode connected or not
> > > > > > - trickle charger resistor value (250, 2000, or 4000 ohm)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Given that, it seems to me that those values should be configured
> > > > > > explicitly instead of using a binary value, and that the driver
> > > > > > should perform the conversion from dt entry to register value.
> > > > > 
> > > > > iiuc, there is no way for the kernel to determine what is being trickle
> > > > > charged, and thus no way to determine how it should set this register.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It may be a bit of overkill, but I think a DT macro would be the most
> > > > > maintainable solution here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > #define DS1339_TRCKL_DIODE   0x08
> > > > > #define DS1339_TRCKL_NODIODE 0x04
> > > > > #define DS1339_TRCKL_R250    0x01
> > > > > #define DS1339_TRCKL_R2000   0x02
> > > > > #define DS1339_TRCKL_R4000   0x03
> > > > > 
> > > > > trickle_setup = <DS1339_TRCKL_DIODE | DS1339_TRCKL_R250>;
> > > > > 
> > > > > And the driver would take care of oring it with the enable pattern.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, that sounds reasonable as well.
> > > > 
> > > I thought of this too. However the ds1307 seems to be designed to work
> > > with bunch of chips. What then when next chip supported by this driver
> > > introduces 75, 1000 and 5000 ohm resistors? Or something else. (Or add
> > > some other configuration). I do not see this approach to be
> > > maintainable in long run.
> > 
> > If a new chip comes out with new features, the driver will need an
> > update anyhow. We have no guarantee that the register placement will be
> > the same, let alone the layout.
> 
> Yes, I'm reminded of our conversations a year ago in Edinburgh.  It's
> impossible to engineer a perfect, future-proof binding.  But that
> being said...
> 
> > If and when said new chip comes out we allocate a new compatible string.
> > If it's compatible iwith (i.e. is a superset of) an existing device's
> > programming model, we add that existing string as a fallback in the
> > compatible list so old kernels can drive the subset of features they
> > understand.
> > 
> > > I see strong possibility of polluting dt with endless amount of
> > > defines. Furthermore I believe the benefits of these defines would be
> > > negligible compared to effort maintaining defines and documentation of
> > > them causes. Surely the one who needs to add dt node for this chip in
> > > his board's dt has the manual for the chip he has on board. Especially
> > > so if he knows the trickle charger there and wants to configure it.
> > > The plain resistor type still gives zero information without knowing
> > > the other details.
> > 
> > I would rather that the driver had some idea of what it were doing
> > rather than being a glorified copy routine.
> > 
> > I would suggest we have two properties that describe the resistor's
> > rating and whether or not there is a diode:
> > 
> > trickle-resistor-ohms = <250>
> > diode-connected;
> 
> I much prefer this solution over my own suggestion.  With one small
> change, s/diode-connected/trickle-diode-enable/  Does that sound ok?

I'm not too keen on 'enable'; I was under the impression that this
described whether or not there was an external diode. Perhaps I've
misunderstood?

Thanks,
Mark.

> > That's easy for a human to write and/or validate, we can easily extend
> > it in future, requires no proliferation of macros, and describes the
> > hardware rather than telling software what to do.
> > 
> > The driver becomes a little more complicated, but gains sanity checking,
> > which is a good thing.
> > 
> > I'm still worried that we have no idea what the device is intended to
> > charge. Surely that's important?
> 
> In the docs it said a variety of batteries and supercaps.  Yeah, not
> much help...
> 
> thx,
> 
> Jason.
> 
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