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Date:	Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:46:21 +0100
From:	Lee Jones <>
To:	Javier Martinez Canillas <>
Cc:	Wolfram Sang <>,
	"" <>,, Linus Walleij <>,
	Linux Kernel <>,, Grant Likely <>,
	Sjoerd Simons <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND 0/8] i2c: Relax mandatory I2C ID table passing

On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:

> [adding Sjoerd as cc who was the one that raised the module auto-loading issue]
> Hello,
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Wolfram Sang <> wrote:
> >>
> >> Placing this firmly back on your plate.  I truly hope we don't miss
> >> another merge-window.  This patch-set has the support of some pretty
> >> senior kernel maintainers, so I hope acceptance shouldn't be too
> >> difficult.
> >>
> >> As previously discussed I believe it should be okay for an I2C device
> >> driver _not_ supply an I2C ID table to match to.  The I2C subsystem
> >> should be able to match via other means, such as via OF tables.  The
> >> blocking factor during our previous conversation was to keep
> >> registering via sysfs up and running.  This set does that.
> >
> > As mentioned in another thread, modaliases are one other possible side
> > effect. As Javier correctly mentions, the beaviour does not really
> > change with your patchset. Yet, if we remove i2c_device_id from drivers
> > too carelessly, they might not be bound anymore.
> >
> Right, removing the I2C ID table even from drivers that don't really
> need it (e.g: IP blocks only present in DT platforms) will as you said
> break module auto-loading. Probing will work since the OF table is
> used to match the device in i2c_device_match() but is the I2C table
> what is used to fill the valid module aliases with the current
> behavior of i2c_device_uevent(), the aliases filled from the OF table
> are never used.
> So what I propose is to do it incrementally:
> 1) Merge Lee's series since that is definitely a step in the right
> direction to not make an I2C table mandatory (still will be needed for
> module auto loading though).
> 2) On a follow-up series, make sure that all I2C drivers have a proper
> OF table and that are using the MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(of,...) macro to
> fill the of:<foo> module aliases. That way the modules will have the
> proper aliases of the form "of:<foo>" besides the "i2c:<foo>" one.
> (even when always i2c:<foo> is reported to user-space currently).
> 3) Apply the patch I posted [0] that changes the behavior of
> i2c_device_uevent() to report the OF uevent env vars to user-space in
> case of DT probing which after 2) should not regress any driver module
> auto-loading since all drivers should fill the of:<foo> aliases.

This sounds resonable.

> After this, DT-only drivers will only need an OF table and legacy
> drivers will only need an I2C table. Drivers that support both will
> still need the two tables though which is a drawback of this approach
> since unnecessary duplication will exist on these drivers and can
> cause issues when both tables are not in sync as we saw on the issue
> reported by Sjoerd on [1].
> So an alternate approach could be to do the opposite, just remove the
> OF tables entirely from the I2C drivers and only use the I2C table
> even for DT-only drivers. This is possible since i2c_device_match()
> will succeed even without an OF table because i2c_match_id() matches
> for compatible strings and what is reported as uevent is what is in
> the I2C table anyways. I believe that is what Sjoerd suggested but
> I'll let him comment on that in case I misunderstood.

This would be really bad.  It would go completely against what I have
working to achieve and OF conventions.

> By the way, the SPI subsystem has the same behavior, I raised the issue on [2].
> Best regards,
> Javier
> [0]:
> [1]:
> [2]:

Lee Jones
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