Date:	Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:13:16 -0600
From:	Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@...com>
To:	Yigal Korman <yigal@...xistor.com>
Cc:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	"linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>,
	Stefan Bader <stefan.bader@...onical.com>,
	Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@....eng.br>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/6] x86, pat: Update documentation for WT changes

On Wed, 2014-09-17 at 00:45 +0300, Yigal Korman wrote:
> Perhaps your patch is still valid in the context of this patch:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/9/9/612
> Part of the reason for creating it was the fact that ioremap is using
> a fake virtual address mapping.
> So I think we can still use set_memory_wt for memory created with
> add_persistent_memory.
> What do you think?

Yes, I am aware of the work.  I agree that it will address issue 1), but
we still have issue 2).  Since this work will create page tables, we may
be able to treat NV-DIMM ranges as RAM for reservation.  However, we
also have an issue with RAM that set_page_memtype() needs additional bit
to track WT type.  I am hoping that _PGMT_WB can be redefined for WT,
but I need to check it more carefully.  Considering the risk of such
changes, this will be a separate item. 

> Also, a thought: maybe the driver that will be managing the memory
> added by add_persistent_memory should be responsible for resolving
> aliasing issues.

Yes, that's one way to do it.  Under the current design, though,
reserve_memtype() should work to detect aliasing for supported
use-cases.

Thanks,
-Toshi


> 
> Thanks,
> Yigal
> 
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@...com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 18:22 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@...com> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 15:34 -0600, Toshi Kani wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 13:29 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@...com> wrote:
> >> >> > > On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 11:30 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@...com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > +Drivers may map the entire NV-DIMM range with ioremap_cache and then change
> >> >> > >> > +a specific range to wt with set_memory_wt.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> That's mighty specific :)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > How about below?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Drivers may use set_memory_wt to set WT type for cached reserve ranges.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do they have to be cached?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, set_memory_xyz only supports WB->type->WB transition.
> >> >>
> >> >> > How about:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Drivers may call set_memory_wt on ioremapped ranges.  In this case,
> >> >> > there is no need to change the memory type back before calling
> >> >> > iounmap.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (Or only on cached ioremapped ranges if that is, in fact, the case.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds good.  Yes, I will use cashed ioremapped ranges.
> >> >
> >> > Well, testing "no need to change the memory type back before calling
> >> > iounmap" turns out to be a good test case.  I realized that
> >> > set_memory_xyz only works properly for RAM.  There are two problems for
> >> > using this interface for ioremapped ranges.
> >> >
> >> > 1) set_memory_xyz calls reserve_memtype() with __pa(addr).  However,
> >> > __pa() translates the addr into a fake physical address when it is an
> >> > ioremapped address.
> >> >
> >> > 2) reserve_memtype() does not work for set_memory_xyz.  For RAM, the WB
> >> > state is managed untracked.  Hence, WB->new->WB is not considered as a
> >> > conflict.  For ioremapped ranges, WB is tracked in the same way as other
> >> > cache types.  Hence, WB->new is considered as a conflict.
> >> >
> >> > In my previous testing, 2) was undetected since 1) led using a fake
> >> > physical address which was not tracked for WB.  This made ioremapped
> >> > ranges worked just like RAM. :-(
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, 1) can be fixed by using slow_virt_to_phys() instead of __pa().
> >> > set_memory_xyz is already slow, but this makes it even slower, though.
> >> >
> >> > For 2), WB has to be continuously tracked in order to detect aliasing,
> >> > ex. ioremap_cache and ioremap to a same address.  So, I think
> >> > reserve_memtype() needs the following changes:
> >> >  - Add a new arg to see if an operation is to create a new mapping or to
> >> > change cache attribute.
> >> >  - Track overlapping maps so that cache type change to an overlapping
> >> > range can be detected and failed.
> >> >
> >> > This level of changes requires a separate set of patches if we pursue to
> >> > support ioremapped ranges.  So, I am considering to take one of the two
> >> > options below.
> >> >
> >> > A) Drop the patch for set_memory_wt.
> >> >
> >> > B) Keep the patch for set_memory_wt, but document that it fails with
> >> > -EINVAL and its use is for RAM only.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I vote A.  I see no great reason to add code that can't be used.  Once
> >> someone needs this ability, they can add it :)
> >
> > Agreed.  I will drop the patch for now.  Since _PGMT_WB does not seem to
> > be used for tracking WB, we might be able to use this bit for WT.  But I
> > need to look at the code more carefully for sure.
> >
> >> It's too bad that ioremap is called ioremap and not iomap.  Otherwise
> >> the natural solution would be to add a different function call
> >> ioremap_wt that's like set_memory_wt but for ioremap ranges.  Calling
> >> it ioreremap_wt sounds kind of disgusting :)
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Toshi
> >


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