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Date:	Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:08:00 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <>
To:	Steven Rostedt <>
Cc:	Joe Perches <>, Jan Kara <>,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <>,
	"" <>,
	Andrew Morton <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk: git rid of [sched_delayed] message for

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 12:30:01PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:10:47 -0700
> Joe Perches <> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2014-09-20 at 17:47 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On a whole, printk() is entirely useless for debugging these days, its
> > > far too fragile/unreliable to be taken seriously so I really don't care
> > > on that point either.
> > 
> > That's unfortunate.
> > 
> > Care to enumerate the issues that you believe make
> > printk too fragile/unreliable for debugging?
> I seldom use printk these days. It's far too limited in its uses. For
> one, most things worth debugging happen thousands of times a second,
> and printk will just slow things down to a crawl if it is used.
> Another, is that it can not be used in most critical sections (NMI
> handlers and anything that deals with the scheduler). Also, as it no
> longer blocks when another CPU is doing a printk, a bug can happen
> which crashes the system and the output of that bug will never get
> printed due to the delayed output from another CPU having the console
> lock.

If you're trying to debug a dying machine the early_serial_console which
basically only does a stream of OUTBs to the right port is the only
reliable thing. For anything else, trace_printk().

Now all I need to figure out is how to keep suspend from killing the
early_serial_console setup :-)
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