linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v11 00/21] Add support for NV-DIMMs to ext4

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Message-ID: <62749.1412113956@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date:	Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:52:36 -0400
From:	Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To:	Andreas Dilger <adilger@...ger.ca>
Cc:	Matthew Wilcox <willy@...ux.intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew.r.wilcox@...el.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 00/21] Add support for NV-DIMMs to ext4

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:25:17 -0600, Andreas Dilger said:

> I think you would be much better off having more aggressive "use once"
> semantics in the page cache, so that page cache pages for streaming
> writes are evicted more aggressively from cache rather than going down
> the "automatic O_DIRECT" hole.

Well, I'm open to convincing.. an inode bit that says "I/O for this file is
always first out of the page cache" would probably fix  most of the thrashing
page cache problem (and avoid the "unexpected O_DIRECT kills the program"
issue), at the cost of a little more CPU when we turn around and evict it
from the page cache.

As long as we're at it, if we go that route we probably *also* want a
way for a program to specify it at open() time (for instance, for the
use of backup programs) - that should minimize the infamous "everything
runs like a pig after the backup finishes running because  the *useful*
pages are all cache-cold".

(And yes, you really *do* want the ability in both places - one for a
program to be able to say "do this for any file I touch", and another for
the file to say "do this for any program that touches me").

Matthew - would that sort of approach make more sense to you?  I admit
I originally posted only because I'd just finished fighting with a
similar issue, and code floated by that got filesystem pages into
core without trashing the page cache.  I'm not at all tied to the specific
solution.. :)

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