linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] enhance DMA CMA on x86

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Date:	Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:23:02 +0900
From:	Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@...il.com>
To:	Peter Hurley <peter@...leysoftware.com>
Cc:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
	Don Dutile <ddutile@...hat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	x86@...nel.org, iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] enhance DMA CMA on x86

2014-09-30 23:34 GMT+09:00 Peter Hurley <peter@...leysoftware.com>:
> On 09/29/2014 10:32 AM, Akinobu Mita wrote:
>> 2014-09-29 21:09 GMT+09:00 Peter Hurley <peter@...leysoftware.com>:
>>> On 09/27/2014 08:31 PM, Akinobu Mita wrote:
>>>> 2014-09-27 23:30 GMT+09:00 Peter Hurley <peter@...leysoftware.com>:
>>>>> On 04/15/2014 09:08 AM, Akinobu Mita wrote:
>>>>>> This patch set enhances the DMA Contiguous Memory Allocator on x86.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> What this patchset does is restrict all iommu configurations which can
>>>>> map all of system memory to one _very_ small physical region, thus disabling
>>>>> the whole point of an iommu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I know why my GPU is causing paging to disk! And why my RAID controller
>>>>> stalls for ages when I do a git log at the same time as a kernel build!
>>>>
>>>> The solution I have for this is that instead of trying to
>>>> dma_alloc_from_contiguous() firstly, call alloc_pages() in dma_alloc_coherent().
>>>> dma_alloc_from_contiguous() should be called only when alloc_pages() is failed
>>>> or DMA_ATTR_FORCE_CONTIGUOUS is specified in dma_attr.
>>>
>>> Why is all this extra complexity being added when there are no X86 users
>>> of DMA_ATTR_FORCE_CONTIGUOUS?
>>
>> I misunderstood DMA_ATTR_FORCE_CONTIGUOUS.  It is specified to request
>> that underlaying DMA mapping span physically contiguous with IOMMU.
>> But current alloc_dma_coherent() for intel-iommu always returns
>> physically contiguous memory, so it is ignored on x86.
>>
>>>>> And the apparent goal of this patchset is to enable DMA allocation below
>>>>> 4GB, which is already supported in the existing page allocator with the
>>>>> GFP_DMA32 flag?!
>>>>
>>>> The goal of this patchset is to enable huge DMA allocation which
>>>> alloc_pages() can't (> MAX_ORDER) for the devices that require it.
>>>
>>> What x86 devices need > MAX_ORDER DMA allocation and why can't they allocate
>>> directly from dma_alloc_from_contiguous()?
>>
>> I need this for UFS unified memory extension which is apparently not in
>> mainline for now.
>> http://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/docs/jesd220-1
>> http://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/T_Fujisawa_MF_2013.pdf
>>
>> But there must be some other use cases on x86, too.  Because I have
>> received several emails privately from developers who care its status.
>>
>> And allocating directly from dma_alloc_from_contiguous() in the driver
>> doesn't work with IOMMU, as it just returns memory regoin and doesn't
>> create DMA mapping.
>
>
> I read the UFS Unified Memory Extension v1.0 (JESD220-1) specification and
> it is not clear to me that using DMA mapping is the right approach to
> supporting UM, at least on x86.

Without DMA mapping, there is no way for the devices to access host
memory.  Unified memory extension requires a single contiguous memory
region instead of multiple scattered mapping.

> And without a mainline user, the merits of this approach are not evident.
> I cannot even find a production x86 UFS controller, much less one that
> supports UME.
>
> The only PCI UFS controller I could find (and that mainline supports) is
> Samsung's x86 FPGA-based test unit for developing UFS devices in a x86 test
> environment, and not a production x86 design.
>
> Samsung's own roadmap (http://www.slideshare.net/linaroorg/next-gen-mobilestorageufs)
> mentions nothing about bringing UFS to x86 designs.
>
> Unless there's something else I've missed, I don't think these patches
> belong in mainline.

Removing CONFIG_CMA_DMA support from x86_64 will disappoint me, but it's
personal opinion.  FWIW, MIPS also starts supporting it in linux-next.
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