Message-id: <5437EA04.2020406@samsung.com>
Date:	Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:15:32 +0300
From:	Dmitry Kasatkin <d.kasatkin@...sung.com>
To:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@...il.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-ima-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/4] ima: require signed user-space initialization

Hello Andrew,

I have just posted updated patchset.
Please check patch description where I discuss your questions and
related changes.

Thanks,
Dmitry

On 30/07/14 00:37, Dmitry Kasatkin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 23:26 +0300, Dmitry Kasatkin wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Morton
>>> <akpm@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:54:19 +0300 Dmitry Kasatkin <d.kasatkin@...sung.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Currently secure IMA/EVM initialization has to be done from the initramfs,
>>>>> embedded in the signed kernel image. Many systems do not want to use
>>>>> initramfs or usage of embedded initramfs makes it difficult to have
>>>>> multi-target kernels.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a very simple patchset which makes it possible to perform secure
>>>>> initialization by requiring initial user-space to be signed.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does it by:
>>>>> - introducing IMA public keys loading hook
>>>>> - loading IMA trusted public key into .ima trusted keyring
>>>>> - making default IMA appraisal policy to require everything to be signed
>>>>>
>>>>> When builtin initramfs is not in use, keys cannot be read from initcalls,
>>>>> because root filesystem is not yet mounted. In order to read keys before
>>>>> executing init process, ima_prepare_keys() hook is introduced. Reading
>>>>> public keys from the kernel is justified because signature verification
>>>>> key is needed in order to verify anything else which is read from the
>>>>> file system. Public keys are X509 certificates and itself signed by the
>>>>> trusted key from the .system keyring. Kernel BIG KEYS support is an example
>>>>> of reading keys directly by the kernel.
>>>>>
>>>>> CONFIG_IMA_APPRAISE_SIGNED_INIT kernel option is provided to make the IMA
>>>>> default appraisal policy to required signature validation. Signed init
>>>>> process need to initialize EVM key and load appropriate IMA policy which
>>>>> would not require everything to be signed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless real '/sbin/init' is signed, a simple and practical way is to place
>>>>> all signed programs, libraries, scripts and configuration files under
>>>>> dedicated directory, for example '/ima', and run signed init process by
>>>>> providing a kernel command line parameter 'init=/ima/init'
>>>> The kernel may already have loaded kernel modules before it gets around
>>>> to mounting rootfs and running /sbin/init.  How does that fit into the
>>>> overall signing scheme?  And how did /sbin/modprobe get its signature
>>>> checked?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If kernel embedded initramfs is in use then it is signed together with kernel,
>>> and this functionality is not needed and no need to enable it with
>>> kernel configuration.
>>>
>>> As it is IMA extensions and it is entirely based on IMA functionality
>>> it requires extended attribute support.
>>>
>>> If externally loaded initramfs is used, then that one uses cpio based
>>> archive that does not support extended attributes and thus external
>>> initramfs cannot be used for secure initialization.
>> Right, but GNU tar version 1.27.1 supports Posix.1 (ustar) format, which
>> has xattr support.  GNU CPIO supports the Posix.1 tar format.  The
>> question is whether CPIO supports the included xattrs.
>>
>>> This functionality is targeted to be used without initramfs on normal
>>> filesystems supporting xattrs. In such case, modprobe cannot be loaded before
>>> rootfs is mounted. Any filesystems and block device drivers obviously
>>> need to be embedded into the kernel. In the place where
>>> ima_prepare_keys() hooks is called, we have
>>>
>>>    ima_prepare_keys();
>>>    load_default_modules();
>>>
>>> So we load keys after mounting rootfs and before calling load_default_modules().
>>> So if anything useful kernel loads with load_default_modules, will be
>>> loaded after IMA key is available and thus modprobe will be verified.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The proposed interface and implementation look reasonable to me.
>>>> Opening and reading a file from the root fs is a bit unusual, but we
>>>> already do something similar with "/sbin/init" and the reasoning here
>>>> is similar.
>>>>
>>>> The only alternative I can immediately think of is to bundle the public
>>>> keys into a kernel module and load them into the kernel that way but
>>>>
>>>> - if/when we implement module signing, we have a chicken-and-egg problem
>>>>
>>>> - doing it via a kernel module seems a bit fake - a bit of trickery
>>>>   to reduce code duplication.  Better to do it explicitly.
>>>>
>>> This was the idea. Kernel has embedded certificate signing key on the
>>> .system keyring. Filesystem image/package can come with own signing key
>>> and that one is loaded and verified by existing KEY infrastructure.
>>> Entire signed init code can come as rpm or deb package with its own key.
>>> That is benefit of loading key.
>> Ok, this type of solution addresses the concerns of devices, but we also
>> need a viable solution for systems with an initramfs.
>>
>> Mimi
>>
> Sorry for the late reply. I am on holidays at the moment.
>
> Offered solution is simple one to work without initramfs.
>
> When using initramfs, one approach is that it can be be embedded into
> the kernel.
>
> When initramfs is separate, offered solution would work as well, but
> it would require initramfs container, which is 'cpio' would support
> extended attributes. cpio does not support them. 'cpio' maintainer
> Sergey Poznyakoff replied in my email to him that it would require
> standardization work. He suggested that it is better to use 'tar'
> archive which supports xattrs. Using tar for initramfs would require
> initramfs tool changes across all distros and kernel. As I said above
> offered solution would work as well for initramfs without any changes
> if initramfs container would support xattrs... So further extensions
> are not related to this patchset.
>
> Thanks,
> Dmitry
>

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