linux-kernel - Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v2 5/6] sound/usb: pcm changes to use media token api

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Message-ID: <s5hiojgtox0.wl-tiwai@suse.de>
Date:	Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:00:11 +0200
From:	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@...e.de>
To:	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <m.chehab@...sung.com>
Cc:	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@....samsung.com>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@...afoo.de>,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, gregkh@...uxfoundation.org,
	crope@....fi, olebowle@....com, dheitmueller@...nellabs.com,
	hverkuil@...all.nl, ramakrmu@...co.com,
	sakari.ailus@...ux.intel.com, laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com,
	perex@...ex.cz, prabhakar.csengg@...il.com,
	tim.gardner@...onical.com, linux@...elenboom.it,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, alsa-devel@...a-project.org,
	linux-media@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v2 5/6] sound/usb: pcm changes to use media token api

At Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:49:58 +0200,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> 
> Em Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:59:29 -0600
> Shuah Khan <shuahkh@....samsung.com> escreveu:
> 
> > On 10/16/2014 08:48 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:39:14 -0600,
> > > Shuah Khan wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 10/16/2014 08:16 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > >>> At Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:10:52 -0600,
> > >>> Shuah Khan wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 10/16/2014 08:01 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > >>>>> At Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:10:37 -0600,
> > >>>>> Shuah Khan wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 10/16/2014 06:00 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 10/14/2014 04:58 PM, Shuah Khan wrote:
> > >>>>>>> [...]
> > >>>>>>>>       switch (cmd) {
> > >>>>>>>>       case SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_START:
> > >>>>>>>> +        err = media_get_audio_tkn(&subs->dev->dev);
> > >>>>>>>> +        if (err == -EBUSY) {
> > >>>>>>>> +            dev_info(&subs->dev->dev, "%s device is busy\n",
> > >>>>>>>> +                    __func__);
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> In my opinion this should not dev_info() as this is out of band error
> > >>>>>>> signaling and also as the potential to spam the log. The userspace
> > >>>>>>> application is already properly notified by the return code.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Yes it has the potential to flood the dmesg especially with alsa,
> > >>>>>> I will remove the dev_info().
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes.  And, I think doing this in the trigger isn't the best.
> > >>>>> Why not in open & close?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My first cut of this change was in open and close. I saw pulseaudio
> > >>>> application go into this loop trying to open the device. To avoid
> > >>>> such problems, I went with trigger stat and stop. That made all the
> > >>>> pulseaudio continues attempts to open problems go away.
> > >>>
> > >>> But now starting the stream gives the error, and PA would loop it
> > >>> again, no?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Also, is this token restriction needed only for PCM?  No mixer or
> > >>>>> other controls?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> snd_pcm_ops are the only ones media drivers implement and use. So
> > >>>> I don't think mixer is needed. If it is needed, it is not to hard
> > >>>> to add for that case.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, then I wonder what resource does actually conflict with
> > >>> usb-audio and media drivers at all...?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> audio for dvb/v4l apps gets disrupted when audio app starts. For
> > >> example, dvb or v4l app tuned to a channel, and when an audio app
> > >> starts. audio path needs protected to avoid conflicts between
> > >> digital and analog applications as well.
> > > 
> > > OK, then concentrating on only PCM is fine.
> > > 
> > > But, I'm still not convinced about doing the token management in the
> > > trigger.  The reason -EBUSY doesn't work is that it's the very same
> > > error code when a PCM device is blocked by other processes.  And
> > > -EAGAIN is interpreted by PCM core to -EBUSY for historical reasons.
> > 
> > ah. ok your recommendation is to go with open and close.
> > Mauro has some reservations with holding at open when I discussed
> > my observations with pulseaudio when I was holding token in open
> > instead of trigger start. Maybe he can chime with his concerns.
> > I think his concern was breaking applications if token is held in
> > open().
> 
> Yes. My concern is that PA has weird behaviors, and it tries to open and
> keep opened all audio devices.

PA usually closes the PCM devices when unused.  If it doesn't, it must
be a bug.


Takashi
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