linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 00/20] rtc: omap: fixes and power-off feature

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Message-ID: <20141029131020.GB12379@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
Date:	Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:10:20 +0000
From:	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>
To:	Johan Hovold <johan@...nel.org>
Cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@...com>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@...ertech.it>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@...mide.com>,
	Benoît Cousson <bcousson@...libre.com>,
	Lokesh Vutla <lokeshvutla@...com>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>, nsekhar@...com,
	t-kristo@...com, j-keerthy@...com, linux-omap@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
	rtc-linux@...glegroups.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/20] rtc: omap: fixes and power-off feature

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 01:34:18PM +0100, Johan Hovold wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 03:16:10PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > And how is that different from having a set of power-off handlers, and
> > reporting when each individual one fails?  Don't you want to know if
> > your primary high priority reboot handler fails, just as much as you
> > want to know if your final last-resort power-off handler fails?
> 
> Good point. Failed power-off should probably be logged by the power-off
> call chain implementation (which seems to makes notifier chains a bad
> fit).
> 
> And what about any power-off latencies? Should this always be dealt with
> in the power-off handler?
> 
> Again, if it's predictable and high, as in the OMAP RTC case, it should
> go in the handler. But what if it's just normal bus latencies
> (peripheral busses, i2c, or whatever people may come up with)?
> 
> Should there always be a short delay before calling the next handler?

If the handler has determined that it has failed, then why delay before
trying the next handler?  At the point it has decided it has failed,
surely that's after it has waited sufficient time to determine that
failure?

> > Or different from having no power-off handlers.
> 
> That is actually quite different, as in that case we call machine_halt
> instead (via kernel_halt).

Today, ARM does exactly what x86 does.  If there's no power off handler
registered, machine_power_off() shuts down other CPUs and returns.

> > Here's the x86 code:
> > 
> > void machine_power_off(void)
> > {
> >         machine_ops.power_off();
> > }
> > 
> > struct machine_ops machine_ops = {
> >         .power_off = native_machine_power_off,
> > ...
> > 
> > static void native_machine_power_off(void)
> > {
> >         if (pm_power_off) {
> >                 if (!reboot_force)
> >                         machine_shutdown();
> >                 pm_power_off();
> >         }
> >         /* A fallback in case there is no PM info available */
> >         tboot_shutdown(TB_SHUTDOWN_HALT);
> > }
> > 
> > void tboot_shutdown(u32 shutdown_type)
> > {
> >         void (*shutdown)(void);
> > 
> >         if (!tboot_enabled())
> >                 return;
> > 
> > See - x86 can very well just fall straight back out of machine_power_off()
> > if there's no pm_power_off() hook and tboot is not enabled.
> 
> I never doubted that, but is the right thing to do? Not all arches do it
> that way.

Well, the biggest question there is: if the power off or restart syscall
fails, what is the _generic_ non-architecture action which is supposed to
happen?

Whatever the answer is to that question, that action should be performed
by the _generic_ non-architecture code, rather than having the same
implementation spread across all 30 architectures which the kernel
supports today.

> And what about the killing of init? Shall we simply consider that a
> systemd bug? 
> 
> 	case LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_POWER_OFF:
> 		kernel_power_off();
> 		do_exit(0);
> 		break;
> 
> If power-off fails (for whatever reason), do_exit(0) will trigger a
> panic when called from PID 1.

Oh, systemd calls this from PID1?  I guess that's another reason to hate
systemd with vitriol.  :)  SysVinit and upstart implementations call it
from the "halt" command, which is itself normally run from a script,
which totally avoids that problem.

I'm quite sure the insane systemd lobby will scream that this is a kernel
bug and will want to change it somehow, just like they want to change the
kernel in soo many other silly ways.

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