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Message-ID: <20141104195514.GA28531@quack.suse.cz>
Date:	Tue, 4 Nov 2014 20:55:14 +0100
From:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:	Al Viro <viro@...IV.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4 v3] fs: Remove i_devices from struct inode

On Tue 04-11-14 11:47:21, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On 11/04/2014 07:39 AM, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 11:27:27AM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>   Hello,
> >>
> >>   this patch set removes use of i_devices from block and character device
> >> code and thus we can remove the list head from struct inode thus saving two
> >> pointers in it. As Christoph has reviewed the series, can you please merge
> >> it Al? Thanks!
> >>
> >> Since v2 I've added reviewed-by tags from Christoph and changed one variable
> >> name in cdev_forget().
> >>
> >> Since v1 I have split the patches and properly handled character devices (I
> >> broke them last time as Christoph pointed out).
> > 
> > My problem with that is in buggered module refcounts (which was the reason
> > for doing those non-counting references back then).  Suppose you open
> > /dev/some_char_device and close it; having the module pinned down until
> > the inode of that sucker gets evicted by dcache/icache memory pressure
> > would be wrong - it _isn't_ in use, and there's no way short of forcing
> > the full eviction of VFS caches to get it possible to unload...
> > 
> 
> At the risk of asking what may be a rather dumb question...
> 
> Why do device node inodes need to be cached at all?  In other words,
> when you try open a device node, can't the kernel materialize the inode
> from just information that's in the dentry without touching the
> filesystem at all?  If that's true, couldn't all device inodes be
> dropped from icache as soon as they're unreferenced?
> 
> (Yes, there's mtime, but I never understood why tracking mtime on device
> nodes made any sense in the first place.)
  I can see a few reasons:
1) positive dentry without inode - no-no for dcache.
2) how would you get the information which device the dentry references?
3) what would you gain to outweight the complications and special code
   paths?

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
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