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Message-ID: <1576552.2oedNFkf9R@vostro.rjw.lan>
Date:	Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:00:34 +0100
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>
To:	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:	Lan Tianyu <tianyu.lan@...el.com>, lenb@...nel.org,
	wsa@...-dreams.de, robert.moore@...el.com, lv.zheng@...el.com,
	linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-i2c@...r.kernel.org, devel@...ica.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2] ACPI: Add _DEP(Operation Region Dependencies) support to fix battery issue on the Asus T100TA

On Thursday, November 06, 2014 08:19:52 AM Mika Westerberg wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 10:55:23PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:54:14 AM Mika Westerberg wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:09:44PM +0800, Lan Tianyu wrote:
> > > > ACPI 5.0 introduces _DEP to designate device objects that OSPM should
> > > > assign a higher priority in start ordering due to future operation region
> > > > accesses.
> > > > 
> > > > On Asus T100TA, ACPI battery info are read from a I2C slave device via
> > > > I2C operation region. Before I2C operation region handler is installed,
> > > > battery _STA always returns 0. There is a _DEP method of designating
> > > > start order under battery device node.
> > > > 
> > > > This patch is to implement _DEP feature to fix battery issue on the Asus T100TA.
> > > > Introducing acpi_dep_list and adding dep_unmet count in the struct
> > > > acpi_device. During ACPI namespace scan, create struct acpi_dep_data for a
> > > > valid pair of master (device pointed to by _DEP)/slave(device with _DEP), record
> > > > master's and slave's ACPI handle in it and put it into acpi_dep_list. The dep_unmet
> > > > count will increase by one if there is a device under its _DEP. Driver's probe() should
> > > > return EPROBE_DEFER when find dep_unmet larger than 0. When I2C operation
> > > > region handler is installed, remove all struct acpi_dep_data on the acpi_dep_list
> > > > whose master is pointed to I2C host controller and decrease slave's dep_unmet.
> > > > When dep_unmet decreases to 0, all _DEP conditions are met and then do acpi_bus_attach()
> > > > for the device in order to resolve battery _STA issue on the Asus T100TA.
> > > 
> > > Is there a reason why the driver core can't handle this automatically in
> > > such way that when there are unmet dependencies, it will not probe the
> > > device? Or am I missing something?
> > 
> > Yes, there is a reason: There's no way to represent such dependencies in the
> > driver core. :-)
> > 
> > That's been discussed for several times (and I've even mentioned _DEP in one
> > of those discussions) and it's always ended up being seen as "complexity
> > nightmare".
> 
> OK, I see.
> 
> > > Now it looks like the driver itself needs to know about these and handle
> > > them somehow.
> > 
> > The patch is missing the user of it which is going to be the battery driver
> > only for the time being.  Tianyu, can you please include the battery changes
> > into the patch at least for now?
> > 
> > > I'm asking this because there are other things like devices using GPIOs
> > > that also take advantage of _DEP, like this on Asus T100:
> > > 
> > >         Device (SDHB)
> > >         {
> > >             Name (_ADR, Zero)  // _ADR: Address
> > >             Name (_HID, "INT33BB")  // _HID: Hardware ID
> > >             ...
> > >             Name (_DEP, Package (0x02)  // _DEP: Dependencies
> > >             {
> > >                 PEPD,
> > >                 GPO2
> > >             })
> > > 
> > > I don't know what PEPD is but GPO2 is the GPIO controller.
> > 
> > Well, if you read the definition of _DEP in ACPI 5.1, it is all about operation
> > regions, so this smells like abuse of sorts.  In any case, it is hard to argue
> > that _DEP is not internal to ACPI because of that definition.
> 
> So if we have a device, like SDHB above (SDIO controller), that needs
> GPIOs for powering the SDIO card and that is done by using GPIO
> operation regions how do we ensure that the GPIO controller driver is
> there?
> 
> I think the answer is that we just make sure the the GPIO driver is
> there before anything that is going to use it. E.g make it
> subsys_initcall() or so?

The current approach, which arguably is lame, has been to (1) compile in
all drivers that *may* be depended on (like all drviers registering operation
region handlers) and then (2) trick the devices to be registered in the right
order.

I'd rather have a more robust mechanism than that, but so far no one has
proposed anything remotely usable.

As far as _DEP is concerned, it seems that in *practice* it is used to
reflect functional dependencies between devices rather than the operation
regions thing only (as specified).  In that case we may decide to follow
the practice rather than the spec (and move to update the spec to reflect
the practice at the same time), but that requires some consideration.

-- 
I speak only for myself.
Rafael J. Wysocki, Intel Open Source Technology Center.
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