linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/14] rcu: Protect rcu_boost() lockless accesses with ACCESS

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Message-ID: <20150112221232.GG9719@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:12:32 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@...olabs.net>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...nel.org,
	laijs@...fujitsu.com, dipankar@...ibm.com,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com,
	josh@...htriplett.org, tglx@...utronix.de, rostedt@...dmis.org,
	dhowells@...hat.com, edumazet@...gle.com, dvhart@...ux.intel.com,
	fweisbec@...il.com, oleg@...hat.com,
	Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/14] rcu: Protect rcu_boost() lockless
 accesses with ACCESS_ONCE()

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 09:59:57AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 10:58:50PM +0100, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> > Am 09.01.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 05:49:54AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > >>> That reminds me, I think the new conversion for stores will most likely
> > >>> introduce silly arg bugs:
> > >>>
> > >>> -       ACCESS_ONCE(a) = b;
> > >>> +       ASSIGN_ONCE(b, a);
> > >>
> > >> I was planning to do mine by hand for this sort of reason.
> > >>
> > >> Or are you thinking of something more subtle than the case where
> > >> "b" is an unparenthesized comma-separated expression?
> > > 
> > > I think he's revering to the wrong way around-ness of the thing.
> > > 
> > > Its a bit of a mixed bag on assignments, but for instance
> > > rcu_assign_pointer() takes them the right way around, as does
> > > atomic_set().
> > > 
> > > So yes, I think the ASSIGN_ONCE() thing got the arguments the wrong way
> > > around.
> > > 
> > > We could maybe still change it, before its in too long ?
> > 
> > Linus initial proposal was inspired by put_user model which is (val,
> > ptr) and I took that. 
> 
> Yeah, like I said, its a bit of a mixed bag. We've got plenty examples
> of the wrong way around.
> 
> > As my focus was on avoiding the volatile bug,
> > all my current conversions are READ_ONCE as no potential ASSIGN_ONCE
> > user was done on a non-scalar type, so I have no first hand
> > experience. 
> 
> So the implication there is that we'd preserve ACCESS_ONCE() for use on
> scalar types. I don't think we should do that, I think we should just
> en-mass convert to {READ,WRITE}/{LOAD,STORE}_ONCE() and kill off
> ACCESS_ONCE().

Yep.  For one thing, the proposed replacements work much better with
C11 than does ACCESS_ONCE().

> > I am fine with changing that, though, both ways have pros
> > and cons. Last time I checked in Linus tree there was no ASSIGN_ONCE
> > user.
> 
> Right, so Davidlohr just introduced a few in my tree :-), which is how I
> came to know we even had this stuff..
> 
> > When we talk about changing the parameters it might make sense to also
> > think about some comments from George Spelvin and consider a rename to
> > WRITE_ONCE or STORE_ONCE (READ_ONCE --> LOAD_ONCE). 
> 
> I'd be OK with that.
> 
> > Unfortunately
> > there doesnt seem to be a variant that is fool proof (in the sense of
> > Rustys guideline that a good interface cannot be used wrong). So any
> > proposal in that regard would be very welcome.
> 
> If you want fool proof, I think we should discard C ;-) Then again, I've
> yet to see a programming language that would not let a human make a
> proper idiot out of himself.

Limit NR_CPUS to zero!  It is the only way!!!

						Thanx, Paul

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