Date:	Wed, 21 Jan 2015 12:06:01 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Don Zickus <dzickus@...hat.com>
Cc:	Zhang Zhen <zhenzhang.zhang@...wei.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, morgan.wang@...wei.com,
	josh@...edesktop.org, dipankar@...ibm.com
Subject: Re: RCU CPU stall console spews  leads to soft lockup disabled is
 reasonable ?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:10:51AM -0500, Don Zickus wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:26:27AM +0800, Zhang Zhen wrote:
> > > This may not cause other problems but what happens if you comment out the
> > > 'touch_softlockup_watchdog' from the touch_nmi_watchdog function like
> > > below (based on latest upstream cb59670870)?
> > > 
> > > The idea is that console printing for that cpu won't reset the softlockup
> > > detector.  Again other bad things might happen and this patch may not be a
> > > good final solution, but it can help give me a clue about what is going
> > > on.
> > 
> > I commented out the 'touch_softlockup_watchdog' from the touch_nmi_watchdog function
> > (based on latest upstream ec6f34e5b552).
> > This triggered RCU stall and softlockup, but softlockup just printk only once.
> 
> Yes, as expected.  Instead of flooding the console with the same message,
> report only once until the high priority task is re-kicked and can re-arm
> the softlockup timer again.  So this makes sense.  Based on your double
> spin lock test, I don't ever expect this to get re-armed, so you should
> not expect to see another message.
> 
> 
> > As you mentioned "other bad things" lead to softlockup just printk only once.
> > What's the bad thing ?
> 
> Well, one of the assumptions here is that if you are going to have
> interrupts disabled for a long time and purposely kick the hardlockup
> detector (with touch_nmi_watchdog), then you can reasonably assume that
> softlockups will go off too if you don't also kick the softlockup detector
> (even though there is a window where this isn't true: 2*thresh - thresh).
> 
> 
> So the patch I gave you, can lead to false softlockup warnings.
> 
> 
> On the flip side, printing to the console also blocks hardlockups from
> showing up.  But I believe loooong ago, Paul adjusted the rcu stalls to be
> longer than a hardlockup/softlockup timeout to prevent such scenarios.
> 
> 
> 
> I am not sure what to do here.  Printing to the console has traditionally
> been slow (especially if doing so with interrupts disabled), so a
> touch_nmi_watchdog has been necessary.  But a side effect of that, is it
> prevents the lockup detectors from going off if printing repeatedly.
> 
> 
> Now we can hack up rcu stall to only print once until it is re-armed.
> This would show rcu stall printing first, followed two minutes later by
> a softlockup, which sorta achieves what you want.
> 
> 
> 
> However, at the end of the day, an rcu stall, softlockup or hardlockup is
> a bad thing, does it matter if you get one or all of them?  One should be
> enough to start an investigation, no?

Hear, hear!!!

							Thanx, Paul

> I don't know.  I am leaning towards 'working as expected' and nothing to
> really fix here.  Does anyone have any suggestions on what assumptions we
> could change to handle this better?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Don
> 
> > 
> > / #
> > / # echo 60 > /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
> > / # busybox insmod softlockup_test.ko &
> > / # [   39.044058] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=21002 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [   39.044058] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  102.049045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=84007 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  102.049045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  160.482123] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 134s! [busybox:54]
> > [  165.054075] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=147012 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  165.054075] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  228.059045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=210017 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  228.059045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  291.064099] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=273022 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  291.064099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  354.069074] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=336027 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  354.069099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  417.074045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=399032 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  417.074045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  480.079099] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=462037 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  480.079099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  543.084099] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=525042 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  543.084099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  606.089101] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=588047 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  606.089101] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  669.094099] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=651052 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  669.094099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  732.099045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=714057 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  732.099045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  795.104074] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=777062 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  795.104098] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  858.109046] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=840067 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  858.109046] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  921.114100] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=903072 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  921.114100] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [  984.119099] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=966077 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [  984.119099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1047.124075] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1029082 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1047.124099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1110.129046] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1092087 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1110.129046] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1173.134045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1155092 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1173.134045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1236.139101] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1218097 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1236.139101] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1299.144059] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1281102 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1299.144059] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1362.149099] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1344107 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1362.149099] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1425.154059] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1407112 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1425.154059] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1488.159046] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1470117 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1488.159046] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1551.164045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1533122 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1551.164045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1614.169057] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1596127 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1614.169057] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1677.174060] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1659132 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1677.174060] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1740.179045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1722137 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1740.179045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1803.184075] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1785142 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1803.184101] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1866.189046] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1848147 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1866.189046] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1929.194045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1911152 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1929.194045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 1992.199083] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=1974157 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 1992.199083] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 2055.204098] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=2037162 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 2055.204098] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 2118.209045] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=2100167 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 2118.209045] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > [ 2181.214098] INFO: rcu_preempt detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: {} (detected by 0, t=2163172 jiffies, g=78, c=77, q=4)
> > [ 2181.214098] INFO: Stall ended before state dump start
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Don
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/kernel/watchdog.c b/kernel/watchdog.c
> > > index 70bf118..833c015 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/watchdog.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/watchdog.c
> > > @@ -209,7 +209,7 @@ void touch_nmi_watchdog(void)
> > >  	 * going off.
> > >  	 */
> > >  	raw_cpu_write(watchdog_nmi_touch, true);
> > > -	touch_softlockup_watchdog();
> > > +	//touch_softlockup_watchdog();
> > >  }
> > >  EXPORT_SYMBOL(touch_nmi_watchdog);
> > >  
> > > 
> > > .
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 

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