Date:	Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:34:59 +0000
From:	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
To:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
Cc:	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...nel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@...der.be>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3/resend 3/4] drivers: bus: Add Simple Power-Managed Bus
 DT Bindings

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 01:46:35PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Friday 23 January 2015 09:56:51 Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > >> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/bus/simple-pm-bus.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/bus/simple-pm-bus.txt
> > >> new file mode 100644
> > >> index 0000000000000000..d03abf7fd8e3997a
> > >> --- /dev/null
> > >> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/bus/simple-pm-bus.txt
> > >> @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
> > >> +Simple Power-Managed Bus
> > >> +========================
> > >> +
> > >> +A Simple Power-Managed Bus is a transparent bus that doesn't need a real
> > >> +driver, as it's typically initialized by the boot loader.
> > >> +
> > >> +However, its bus controller is part of a PM domain, or under the control of a
> > >> +functional clock.  Hence, the bus controller's PM domain and/or clock must be
> > >> +enabled for child devices connected to the bus (either on-SoC or externally)
> > >> +to function.
> > >> +
> > >> +
> > >> +Generic compatible values and properties
> > >> +----------------------------------------
> > >> +
> > >> +Required properties:
> > >> +  - compatible: Must be at least one of the vendor-specific compatible values
> > >> +             from a vendor-specific section below, and "simple-bus" as a
> > >> +             fallback.
> > >
> > > What happened to the idea of using something like "simple-pm-bus"?
> > 
> > I think that's a decision to make by the (successor of the) ePAPR committee.
> > At least it would be nice to get some feedback from the DT review team
> > about this.
> > 
> > If we go that road, the vendor-specific compatible value should still be
> > documented, else checkpatch will complain when encountering it in a DTS.
> > Then, should it become
> > 
> >     compatible = "renesas,bsc-sh73a0", "renesas,bsc", "simple-pm-bus",
> > "simple-bus";
> > 
> > or should "simple-bus" just be added to of_default_bus_match_table[], so we
> > can drop "simple-bus" from the list in the DTS:
> > 
> >     compatible = "renesas,bsc-sh73a0", "renesas,bsc", "simple-pm-bus";
> 
> I was thinking of the reverse: drop "simple-bus" bus from the list here,
> but not add "simple-pm-bus" to of_default_bus_match_table. This will
> cause child devices to no longer be probed automatically, and you will
> have to call of_platform_populate() from simple_pm_bus_probe(), after
> pm_runtime_enable().

I am in complete agreement.

> This seems like a cleaner model to me, for two reasons:
> 
> - In the binding, claiming compatibility with "simple-bus" feels
>   wrong to me, because you have a bus that is not as simple as others

Well, it depends. If you _can_ handle it as a "simple-bus" (i.e. it's in
a sane state by default and you can ignore the bus details entirely),
then "simple-bus" is appropriate. However, I don't think that we can
always rely on this, because the state is highly dependent on the FW,
bootloader, and the rest of the kernel.

We have clock/regulator/whatever controller drivers which disable unused
outputs (for power saving and/or flushing out FW bugs). The dtb has no
idea about all of these in-kernel details. If the kernel probes the bus
as a "simple-bus" (with no pm at all), then the bus may have been
inadvertently disabled already (or may become so later).

If the kernel is in control of the providers of inputs, then the kernel
_must_ explicitly handle those inputs (which requires the bus to be
probed as "simple-pm-bus" and not "simple-bus").

> - The ordering between pm_runtime_enable() and the probing of the
>   child devices is guaranteed, which I think it is not with your
>   current code.

There's also kexec to consider. You'd need to ensure that the bus is
re-initialised prior to exit from the kernel to keep the bus
"simple-bus" compatible for the next user. I imagine that enabling a
device prior to exit from the kernel is the opposite of what the PM code
does.

Just having "simple-pm-bus" (and requiring the simple-pm-bus driver to
do sub-node probing _after_ initialisation of the PM'd bus) is much more
robust. That way if the OS can't acquire all the necessary resources
(and guarantee the bus will work), it won't start trying to probe the
children and hang/explode.

> Does this make sense, or am I missing an important reason why there
> has to be a "simple-bus" compatible string here?

The only reason to have it would be to enable an old kernel to use a new
DT. However, for the reasons above I believe that would be broken
anyway, so I do not think that "simple-bus" is an appropriate compatible
fallback.

Thanks,
Mark.
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