linux-kernel - Re: [RFCv3 2/2] dma-buf: add helpers for sharing attacher constraints with dma-parms

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Date:	Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:52:09 -0500
From:	Rob Clark <robdclark@...il.com>
To:	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>
Cc:	Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@...aro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFCv3 2/2] dma-buf: add helpers for sharing attacher constraints
 with dma-parms

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux
<linux@....linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 09:00:11PM +0530, Sumit Semwal wrote:
>> So, short answer is, it is left to the exporter to decide. The dma-buf
>> framework should not even attempt to decide or enforce any of the
>> above.
>>
>> At each dma_buf_attach(), there's a callback to the exporter, where
>> the exporter can decide, if it intends to handle these kind of cases,
>> on the best way forward.
>>
>> The exporter might, for example, decide to migrate backing storage,
>
> That's a decision which the exporter can not take.  Think about it...
>
> If subsystem Y has mapped the buffer, it could be accessing the buffer's
> backing storage at the same time that subsystem Z tries to attach to the
> buffer.

The *theory* is that Y is map/unmap'ing the buffer around each use, so
there will be some point where things could be migrated and remapped..
in practice, I am not sure that anyone is doing this yet.

Probably it would be reasonable if a more restrictive subsystem tried
to attach after the buffer was already allocated and mapped in a way
that don't meet the new constraints, then -EBUSY.

But from a quick look it seems like there needs to be a slight fixup
to not return 0 if calc_constraints() fails..

> Once the buffer has been exported to another user, the exporter has
> effectively lost control over mediating accesses to that buffer.
>
> All that it can do with the way the dma-buf API is today is to allocate
> a _different_ scatter list pointing at the same backing storage which
> satisfies the segment size and number of segments, etc.
>
> There's also another issue which you haven't addressed.  What if several
> attachments result in lowering max_segment_size and max_segment_count
> such that:
>
>         max_segment_size * max_segment_count < dmabuf->size
>
> but individually, the attachments allow dmabuf->size to be represented
> as a scatterlist?

Quite possibly for some of these edge some of cases, some of the
dma-buf exporters are going to need to get more clever (ie. hand off
different scatterlists to different clients).  Although I think by far
the two common cases will be "I can support anything via an iommu/mmu"
and "I need phys contig".

But that isn't an issue w/ dma-buf itself, so much as it is an issue
w/ drivers.  I guess there would be more interest in fixing up drivers
when actual hw comes along that needs it..

BR,
-R

> If an exporter were to take notice of the max_segment_size and
> max_segment_count, the resulting buffer is basically unrepresentable
> as a scatterlist.
>
>> > Please consider the possible sequences of use (such as the scenario
>> > above) when creating or augmenting an API.
>> >
>>
>> I tried to think of the scenarios I could think of, but If you still
>> feel this approach doesn't help with your concerns, I'll graciously
>> accept advice to improve it.
>
> See the new one above :)
>
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