Date:	Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:16:59 +0900
From:	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com>
To:	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>
Cc:	Seth Jennings <sjenning@...hat.com>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@...e.cz>,
	live-patching@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] livepatch: consistency model

(2015/02/10 2:31), Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> This patch set implements a livepatch consistency model, targeted for 3.21.
> Now that we have a solid livepatch code base, this is the biggest remaining
> missing piece.
> 
> This code stems from the design proposal made by Vojtech [1] in November.  It
> makes live patching safer in general.  Specifically, it allows you to apply
> patches which change function prototypes.  It also lays the groundwork for
> future code changes which will enable data and data semantic changes.

Interesting, How would you do that?

> It's basically a hybrid of kpatch and kGraft, combining kpatch's backtrace
> checking with kGraft's per-task consistency.  When patching, tasks are
> carefully transitioned from the old universe to the new universe.  A task can
> only be switched to the new universe if it's not using a function that is to be
> patched or unpatched.  After all tasks have moved to the new universe, the
> patching process is complete.
> 
> How it transitions various tasks to the new universe:
> 
> - The stacks of all sleeping tasks are checked.  Each task that is not sleeping
>   on a to-be-patched function is switched.
> 
> - Other user tasks are handled by do_notify_resume() (see patch 9/9).  If a
>   task is I/O bound, it switches universes when returning from a system call.
>   If it's CPU bound, it switches when returning from an interrupt.  If it's
>   sleeping on a patched function, the user can send SIGSTOP and SIGCONT to
>   force it to switch upon return from the signal handler.

Ah, OK. So you can handle those without hooking switch_to :)

> 
> - Idle "swapper" tasks which are sleeping on a to-be-patched function can be
>   switched from within the outer idle loop.
> 
> - An interrupt handler will inherit the universe of the task it interrupts.
> 
> - kthreads which are sleeping on to-be-patched functions are not yet handled
>   (more on this below).
> 
> 
> I think this approach provides the best benefits of both kpatch and kGraft:
> 
> advantages vs kpatch:
> - no stop machine latency

Good! :)

> - higher patch success rate (can patch in-use functions)
> - patching failures are more predictable (primary failure mode is attempting to
>   patch a kthread which is sleeping forever on a patched function, more on this
>   below)
> 
> advantages vs kGraft:
> - less code complexity (don't have to hack up the code of all the different
>   kthreads)
> - less impact to processes (don't have to signal all sleeping tasks)
> 
> disadvantages vs kpatch:
> - no system-wide switch point (not really a functional limitation, just forces
>   the patch author to be more careful. but that's probably a good thing anyway)

OK, we must check carefully that the old function and new function can be co-exist.

> My biggest concerns and questions related to this patch set are:
> 
> 1) To safely examine the task stacks, the transition code locks each task's rq
>    struct, which requires using the scheduler's internal rq locking functions.
>    It seems to work well, but I'm not sure if there's a cleaner way to safely
>    do stack checking without stop_machine().

We'd better ask scheduler people.

> 
> 2) As mentioned above, kthreads which are always sleeping on a patched function
>    will never transition to the new universe.  This is really a minor issue
>    (less than 1% of patches).  It's not necessarily something that needs to be
>    resolved with this patch set, but it would be good to have some discussion
>    about it regardless.
>    
>    To overcome this issue, I have 1/2 an idea: we could add some stack checking
>    code to the ftrace handler itself to transition the kthread to the new
>    universe after it re-enters the function it was originally sleeping on, if
>    the stack doesn't already have have any other to-be-patched functions.
>    Combined with the klp_transition_work_fn()'s periodic stack checking of
>    sleeping tasks, that would handle most of the cases (except when trying to
>    patch the high-level thread_fn itself).

It makes sense to me. (I just did similar thing)

> 
>    But then how do you make the kthread wake up?  As far as I can tell,
>    wake_up_process() doesn't seem to work on a kthread (unless I messed up my
>    testing somehow).  What does kGraft do in this case?

Hmm, at a glance, the code itself can work on kthread too...
Maybe you can also send you testing patch too.

Thank you,

> 
> 
> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/11/7/354
> 
> 
> Josh Poimboeuf (9):
>   livepatch: simplify disable error path
>   livepatch: separate enabled and patched states
>   livepatch: move patching functions into patch.c
>   livepatch: get function sizes
>   sched: move task rq locking functions to sched.h
>   livepatch: create per-task consistency model
>   proc: add /proc/<pid>/universe to show livepatch status
>   livepatch: allow patch modules to be removed
>   livepatch: update task universe when exiting kernel
> 
>  arch/x86/include/asm/thread_info.h |   4 +-
>  arch/x86/kernel/signal.c           |   4 +
>  fs/proc/base.c                     |  11 ++
>  include/linux/livepatch.h          |  38 ++--
>  include/linux/sched.h              |   3 +
>  kernel/fork.c                      |   2 +
>  kernel/livepatch/Makefile          |   2 +-
>  kernel/livepatch/core.c            | 360 ++++++++++---------------------------
>  kernel/livepatch/patch.c           | 206 +++++++++++++++++++++
>  kernel/livepatch/patch.h           |  26 +++
>  kernel/livepatch/transition.c      | 318 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  kernel/livepatch/transition.h      |  16 ++
>  kernel/sched/core.c                |  34 +---
>  kernel/sched/idle.c                |   4 +
>  kernel/sched/sched.h               |  33 ++++
>  15 files changed, 747 insertions(+), 314 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 kernel/livepatch/patch.c
>  create mode 100644 kernel/livepatch/patch.h
>  create mode 100644 kernel/livepatch/transition.c
>  create mode 100644 kernel/livepatch/transition.h
> 


-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Research Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com


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