linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Add epoll round robin wakeup mode

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Message-ID: <54E403E7.2060209@akamai.com>
Date:	Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:15:51 -0500
From:	Jason Baron <jbaron@...mai.com>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
CC:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Wong <normalperson@...t.net>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@...ilserver.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk-manpages <mtk.manpages@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
	edumazet@...gle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Add epoll round robin wakeup mode

On 02/17/2015 04:09 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jason Baron <jbaron@...mai.com> wrote:
>> On 02/17/2015 02:46 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Jason Baron <jbaron@...mai.com> wrote:
>>>> When we are sharing a wakeup source among multiple epoll fds, we end up with
>>>> thundering herd wakeups, since there is currently no way to add to the
>>>> wakeup source exclusively. This series introduces 2 new epoll flags,
>>>> EPOLLEXCLUSIVE for adding to a wakeup source exclusively. And EPOLLROUNDROBIN
>>>> which is to be used in conjunction to EPOLLEXCLUSIVE to evenly
>>>> distribute the wakeups. This patch was originally motivated by a desire to
>>>> improve wakeup balance and cpu usage for a listen socket() shared amongst
>>>> multiple epoll fd sets.
>>>>
>>>> See: http://lwn.net/Articles/632590/ for previous test program and testing
>>>> resutls.
>>>>
>>>> Epoll manpage text:
>>>>
>>>> EPOLLEXCLUSIVE
>>>>         Provides exclusive wakeups when attaching multiple epoll fds to a
>>>>         shared wakeup source. Must be specified with an EPOLL_CTL_ADD operation.
>>>>
>>>> EPOLLROUNDROBIN
>>>>         Provides balancing for exclusive wakeups when attaching multiple epoll
>>>>         fds to a shared wakeup soruce. Depends on EPOLLEXCLUSIVE being set and
>>>>         must be specified with an EPOLL_CTL_ADD operation.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>> What permissions do you need on the file descriptor to do this?  This
>>> will be the first case where a poll-like operation has side effects,
>>> and that's rather weird IMO.
>>>
>> So in the case where you have both non-exclusive and exclusive
>> waiters, all of the non-exclusive waiters will continue to get woken
>> up. However, I think you're getting at having multiple exclusive
>> waiters and potentially 'starving' out other exclusive waiters.
>>
>> In general, I think wait queues are associated with a 'struct file',
>> so I think unless you are sharing your fd table, this isn't an issue.
>> However, there may be cases where this is not true? In which
>> case, perhaps, we could limit this to CAP_SYS_ADMIN...
> There's also SCM_RIGHTS, which can be used in conjunction with file
> sealing and such.
>
> In general, I feel like this patch series solves a problem that isn't
> well understood and does it by adding a rather strange new mechanism.
> Is there really a problem that can't be addressed by more normal epoll
> features?
>
> --Andy

hmm....so I dug through some of the Linux archives a bit and this
problem seems to crop up every so often without resolution.
So I do believe that its an issue that ppl are more generally
interested in.

See:

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1201.1/02620.html
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=128638781921073&w=2

In the latter thread, Linus suggests adding it to the "requested events"
field to poll: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=128639416832335&w=2

So, I think that this series at least moves in that suggested direction.

Thanks,

-Jason
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