linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/4] Programmatic nestable expedited grace periods

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Date:	Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:58:06 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
Cc:	Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...nel.org,
	laijs@...fujitsu.com, dipankar@...ibm.com,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, tglx@...utronix.de, rostedt@...dmis.org,
	dhowells@...hat.com, edumazet@...gle.com, dvhart@...ux.intel.com,
	fweisbec@...il.com, oleg@...hat.com,
	bobby prani <bobby.prani@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/4] Programmatic nestable expedited grace
 periods

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 03:12:01PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Josh Triplett" <josh@...htriplett.org>
> > To: "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@...radead.org>
> > Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...nel.org,
> > laijs@...fujitsu.com, dipankar@...ibm.com, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, "mathieu desnoyers"
> > <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>, tglx@...utronix.de, rostedt@...dmis.org, dhowells@...hat.com, edumazet@...gle.com,
> > dvhart@...ux.intel.com, fweisbec@...il.com, oleg@...hat.com, "bobby prani" <bobby.prani@...il.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:04:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/4] Programmatic nestable expedited grace periods
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 05:54:09PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 08:37:37AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:11:07AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > Does it really make a machine boot much faster? Why are people using
> > > > > synchronous gp primitives if they care about speed? Should we not fix
> > > > > that instead?
> > > > 
> > > > The report I heard was that it provided 10-15% faster boot times.
> > > 
> > > That's not insignificant; got more details? I think we should really
> > > look at why people are using the sync primitives.
> > 
> > Paul, what do you think about adding a compile-time debug option to
> > synchronize_rcu() that causes it to capture the time on entry and exit
> > and print the duration together with the file:line of the caller?
> > Similar to initcall_debug, but for blocking calls to synchronize_rcu().
> > Put that together with initcall_debug, and you'd have a pretty good idea
> > of where that holds up boot.
> > 
> > We do want early boot to run as asynchronously as possible, and to avoid
> > having later bits of boot waiting on a synchronize_rcu from earlier bits
> > of boot.  Switching a caller over to call_rcu() doesn't actually help if
> > it still has to finish a grace period before it can allow later bits to
> > run.  Ideally, we ought to be able to work out the "depth" of boot in
> > grace-periods.
> > 
> > Has anyone wired initcall_debug up to a bootchart-like graph?
> 
> The information about begin/end of synchronize_rcu, as well as begin/end
> of rcu_barrier() seems to be very relevant here. This should perhaps be
> covered tracepoints ? Isn't it already ?

Good points, but they did measure this somehow.  Wouldn't some ftrace
magic get this result?

							Thanx, Paul

> Thanks,
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> > 
> > - Josh Triplett
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Mathieu Desnoyers
> EfficiOS Inc.
> http://www.efficios.com
> 

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