linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RESEND v9 00/10] sched: consolidation of CPU capacity and usage

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Date:	Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:38:29 +0100
From:	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
To:	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@....com>
Cc:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	"mingo@...nel.org" <mingo@...nel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"preeti@...ux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"kamalesh@...ux.vnet.ibm.com" <kamalesh@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"riel@...hat.com" <riel@...hat.com>,
	"efault@....de" <efault@....de>,
	"nicolas.pitre@...aro.org" <nicolas.pitre@...aro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@....com>,
	"linaro-kernel@...ts.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@...ts.linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v9 00/10] sched: consolidation of CPU capacity and usage

On 23 February 2015 at 16:45, Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@....com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 02:54:09PM +0000, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>> On 20 February 2015 at 15:35, Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@....com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 02:13:21PM +0000, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>> >> On 20 February 2015 at 12:52, Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@....com> wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:34:47AM +0000, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:49:40PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Also, it still not clear why patch 10 uses relative capacity reduction
>> >> >> > instead of absolute capacity available to CFS tasks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As present in your asymmetric big and small systems? Yes it would be
>> >> >> unfortunate to migrate a task to an idle small core when the big core is
>> >> >> still faster, even if reduced by rt/irq work.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, exactly. I don't think it would cause any harm for symmetric cases
>> >> > to use absolute capacity instead. Am I missing something?
>> >>
>> >> If absolute capacity is used, we will trig an active load balance from
>> >> little to big core each time a little has got 1 task and a big core is
>> >> idle whereas we only want to trig an active migration is the src_cpu's
>> >> capacity that is available for the  cfs task is significantly reduced
>> >> by rt tasks.
>> >>
>> >> I can mix absolute and relative tests by 1st testing that the capacity
>> >> of the src is reduced and then ensure that the dst_cpu has more
>> >> absolute capacity than src_cpu
>> >
>> > If we use absolute capacity and check if the source cpu is fully
>> > utilized, wouldn't that work? We want to migrate the task if it is
>>
>> we want to trig the migration before the cpu is fully utilized by
>> rt/irq (which almost never occurs)
>
> I meant fully utilized by rt/irq and cfs tasks, sorry. Essentially,
> get_cpu_usage() ~= capacity_of(). If get_cpu_usage() is signficantly
> smaller than capacity_of() which is may be reduced by rt/irq
> utilization, there are still spare cycles and it is not strictly
> required to migrate tasks away using active LB. But, tasks would be
> moved away if the tasks are being allowed less cpu time due to rt/irq
> (get_cpu_usage() >= capacity_of()). Wouldn't that work? Or, do you want
> to migrate tasks regardless of whether there are still spare cycles
> available on the cpu doing rt/irq work?

In fact, we can see perf improvement even if the cpu is not fully used
by thread and interrupts because the task becomes significantly
preempted by interruptions.

>
> The advantage of comparing get_cpu_usage() with capacity_of() is that it
> would work for migrating cpu-intensive tasks away from little cpu on
> big.LITTLE as well. Then we don't need another almost identical check
> for that purpose :)

I understand your point but the patch becomes inefficient for part of
the issue that it's trying to originally solve if we compare
get_cpu_usage with capacity_of. So we will probably need to add few
more tests for the issue you point out above

>
>>
>> > currently being restricted by the available capacity (due to rt/irq
>> > work, being a little cpu, or both) and if there is a destination cpu
>> > with more absolute capacity available. No?
>>
>> yes, so the relative capacity (cpu_capacity vs cpu_capacity_orig)
>> enables us to know if the cpu is significantly used by irq/rt so it's
>> worth to do an active load balance of the task. Then the absolute
>> comparison of cpu_capacity of src_cpu vs cpu_capacity of dst_cpu
>> checks that the dst_cpu is a better choice
>>
>> something like :
>> if ((check_cpu_capacity(src_rq, sd)) &&
>>    (capacity_of(src_cpu)*sd->imbalce_pct < capacity_of(dst_cpu)*100))
>>      return 1;
>
> It should solve the big.LITTLE issue. Though I would prefer
> get_cpu_usage() ~= capacity_of() approach as it could even improve
> performance on big.LITTLE.

ok. IMHO, it's worth having a dedicated patch for this issue

Vincent
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