linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 0/6] the big khugepaged redesign

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Message-ID: <54FD10BF.3010709@suse.cz>
Date:	Mon, 09 Mar 2015 04:17:19 +0100
From:	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
To:	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@...olabs.net>
CC:	linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>,
	Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@...il.com>,
	Alex Thorlton <athorlton@....com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/6] the big khugepaged redesign

On 02/23/2015 11:46 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 13:58 +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>> Recently, there was concern expressed (e.g. [1]) whether the quite aggressive
>> THP allocation attempts on page faults are a good performance trade-off.
>>
>> - THP allocations add to page fault latency, as high-order allocations are
>>    notoriously expensive. Page allocation slowpath now does extra checks for
>>    GFP_TRANSHUGE && !PF_KTHREAD to avoid the more expensive synchronous
>>    compaction for user page faults. But even async compaction can be expensive.
>> - During the first page fault in a 2MB range we cannot predict how much of the
>>    range will be actually accessed - we can theoretically waste as much as 511
>>    worth of pages [2]. Or, the pages in the range might be accessed from CPUs
>>    from different NUMA nodes and while base pages could be all local, THP could
>>    be remote to all but one CPU. The cost of remote accesses due to this false
>>    sharing would be higher than any savings on the TLB.
>> - The interaction with memcg are also problematic [1].
>>
>> Now I don't have any hard data to show how big these problems are, and I
>> expect we will discuss this on LSF/MM (and hope somebody has such data [3]).
>> But it's certain that e.g. SAP recommends to disable THPs [4] for their apps
>> for performance reasons.
>
> There are plenty of examples of this, ie for Oracle:
>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/entry/performance_issues_with_transparent_huge
> http://oracle-base.com/articles/linux/configuring-huge-pages-for-oracle-on-linux-64.php

Just stumbled upon more references when catching up on lwn:

http://lwn.net/Articles/634797/

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