linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] capabilities: Ambient capabilities

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Date:	Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:58:04 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>
Cc:	"Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@...nel.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@...onical.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
	Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@...il.com>,
	"Ted Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@...il.com>,
	Markku Savela <msa@...h.iki.fi>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@...ux.intel.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] capabilities: Ambient capabilities

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2015, Andrew G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> > prctl(PR_CAP_AMBIENT, PR_CAP_AMBIENT_RAISE, CAP_SYS_ADMIN);
>> > system("/bin/bash");
>>
>> Let's call the above two lines [a] and [b]. With this patch, you are
>> encouraging folk to write programs that contain a line like [a]
>> already. So, yes, I am saying that you are creating an exploitable
>> path in these programs that says if someone can inject
>> system("/bin/bash") into these programs they can get a new (because of
>> this patch) privilege escalation.
>
> Well this is what one naively expects capabilities to give you. An ability
> to avoid full superuser binaries by segmenting off capabilities. Often
> there is really no other choice. If you do not provide this mode then
> the system will be even less secure since people run stuff as root.
>
> This looks to many like the design of capabilties is inherent flawed since
> it does not give you what you need. You experience a go around that leads
> nowhere and just wastes your time.
>
>> In the prevailing model, this kind of privilege escalation (resulting
>> from naive inheritance) is designed out. I recognize that you want to
>> add it back in, but I am concerned that you are not allowing for the
>> possibility that some folk might still want to still be able to
>> prevent it.
>
> The functionalty here depends on CAP_SETPCAP. That was intended as some
> point to be off by default? You can have distros/kernels with that being
> off.

Not in my version.  I don't want to further encourage people to hand
out CAP_SETPCAP.

--Andy

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Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC
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