Message-ID: <CAJc7Lbrbq+_xBLJT8+4=Hdws+ULxU1jvJiR4fnvQLXvbOYzf6g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:29:52 +0300
From:	Лежанкин Иван 
	<abyss.7@...il.com>
To:	Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@...-t.net>
Cc:	Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@...il.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	linux-input <linux-input@...r.kernel.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: Logitech T650 is unusable since 3.19.0

Thanks to everyone for the response. The run-time kernel option to
return old behavior would be appreciated, because the hardcoded
firmware gestures are better than no gestures at all. Also I'll try to
record multi-finger taps with evemu, when I get familiar with it.

On 24 March 2015 at 09:00, Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@...-t.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:59:24AM -0400, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de> wrote:
>> > CC people.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:21:02AM +0300, Лежанкин Иван wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> after update from 3.18.7 to 3.19.x my Logitech touchpad became almost
>> >> unusable. I use OpenSUSE Thumbleweed and tried both custom and vanilla
>> >> kernels. AFAIK, the problem may come with this changes:
>> >> http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1412.1/03246.html
>>
>> Indeed, in 3.19, the touchpad is switched into a "raw" mode where it
>> forwards the multitouch points rather than using the mouse emulation
>> mode.
>>
>> >>
>> >> The symptoms are as follows.
>> >>
>> >> 1. The touch density is twice reduced: I have to make longer finger
>> >> motion for a smaller pointer movement. Possibly, it's because the KDE
>> >> starts to detect the touchpad as touchpad - and not the mouse as it
>> >> was before - and applies some preferences like the pointer
>> >> acceleration, etc.
>>
>> That's either a xorg-synaptics or a KDE bug. But that's somewhat
>> expected. The synaptics driver was written a long time ago, at a time
>> where the touchpads were quite small. With a touchpad this big, the
>> xorg driver simply reduces the speed thinking that your finger is not
>> moving much.
>
> It's probably a synaptics bug, I'll add it to my todo list to test this
> locally.
>
>> Fortunately, in libinput (and so xf86-input-libinput too), we take
>> into account the resolution and provide a consistent feeling across
>> touchpads from different sizes.
>>
>> >>
>> >> 2. Some gestures stopped to work: 3-finger swipe up, down, left, right
>> >> - so, there are no more "history back-forward", "SuperKey", and
>> >> "SuperKey + d".
>>
>> That's expected too, and I was not expecting people to rely that much
>> on these features.
>> Again, this should be handled by the upper layer, not by the kernel to
>> provide a consistent experience with different touchpads.
>> Libinput began to implement a gesture support, and maybe we should
>> consider adding the 3 finger swipes to the supported gestures.
>
> fwiw, we have some rough long-term plans to provide touchpad gestures in X,
> but nothing implemented yet. libinput already has patches for this on the
> list, it's down to getting the API right and then exporting the data through
> the X protocol.
>
> Having said that: until this is all in place, touchpad gestures simply won't
> work.
>
>> >> 3. Multi-finger tap detection is awful: it doesn't detect 3-finger tap
>> >> in 50%, it sometimes detects 2-finger tap instead of click+drag, or
>> >> when the second finger is slightly touching the surface.
>>
>> That is worrisome. It might be a xorg-synaptics bug or a kernel one.
>> We (Peter and I) both have a T650, so I guess we can try to reproduce
>> this. We might need you to record some evemu traces of the various
>> failures.
>
> indeed, please file a bug on bugs.freedesktop.org and assign it to me (with
> evemu recordings please).
>
> Cheers,
>    Peter
>
>> >> Can anyone make a suggestion what should I do, but to stay on an older
>> >> kernel version?
>>
>> To sum up, apologies for breaking your current setup. I still believe
>> that we should not rely on the firmware to provide gestures because
>> this generates kind of random shortcuts that are more or less properly
>> handled by the desktop environment.
>> That being said, it broke your setup, so I will add a parameter that
>> you can pass on boot to disable this mode. It's not ideal though, I
>> concede.
>>
>> I'll come back to you once I have something you can test.
>>
>> Jiri, Peter, Hans, if any of you has a better solution (beside
>> reverting the raw mode) or want to add something, please do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Benjamin
>>
>
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