linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

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Date:	Wed, 15 Apr 2015 21:04:18 +0200
From:	Martin Steigerwald <martin@...htvoll.de>
To:	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc:	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@....at>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2015, 13:40:36 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:44:11AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:27:13AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21:49AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman 
wrote:
> > > > > > We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want
> > > > > > to have busybox as userland. That's a fact.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is that a problem?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-(
> > > 
> > > Really?  Why can't userspace rely on the features that the kernel
> > > provides them?
> > 
> > Userspace can do whatever it wants. As long as I'm not being *forced*
> > to do what userspace thinks is the right thing.
> > 
> > It seems to me that since that whole systemd* debacle started, we're
> > forgetting the choice aspect.
> 
> What "choice" aspect?  Surely you aren't going to make the "Linux is
> about choice" argument are you?
> 
> > And dammit, I want my choice. I want to be able to choose what I'm
> > running. Not run what someone else thought what would be good for me
> > to
> > run. If I wanted that, I'd long switched to windoze or äbble.
> 
> Oh crap, you went there :)
> 
> Take a look at http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ please.

Just one question:

In what way is the post of a single kernel developer authoritative for the 
whole community?

Even if I would make a poster of 200x100 meters or so and stick it onto a 
building, it wouldn´t be.

Ciao,
-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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