linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

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Message-ID: <20150415232716.GS889@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Date:	Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:27:16 +0100
From:	Al Viro <viro@...IV.linux.org.uk>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@...il.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 03:54:10PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> Huh, interesting.
> 
> I was imagining that each of a server's peers (capability holders)
> would have a fresh struct file, but maybe this wouldn't be needed at
> all.  You'd still need a way to get replies to your request, but the
> API could just as easily be:
> 
> int send_to_capability(int dest, int source, const void *data, size_t len, ...);
> 
> where dest would be the destination's fd and source would be whatever
> receive queue I expect the response on.
> 
> So maybe this is feasible.  It doesn't solve broadcasts, but dbus
> unicast could easily layer over a facility like this and the context
> switch problem would go away for unicast.
> 
> Heck, I'd use it for my own proprietary stuff, too.  It would be way
> easier than the absurd tangle of socketpairs I currently use.

BTW, the main issue with AF_UNIX passing is that recepient isn't asleep
awaiting for descriptors - they are thrown by sender at whoever's receiving
and sit there until somebody gets around to picking them.

_IF_ we had
client: I want a desciptor <goes to sleep, interruptibly>
kernel: assign it a sequence number
server: sees request (including sequence number)
server: give this fd to originator of request #N
kernel: check if originator is still there, insert the damn thing into their
descriptor table if they still are and return the obtained number
or
server: tell the originator of request #N to fuck off
kernel: check if originator is still there and gleefully pass the "fuck off" if
they still are

we wouldn't have the in-flight state at all, and there goes the garbage
collection shite.  With some elaboration, it could even carry the
authentication traffic - "fuck off" might be "answer this challenge", with
the next "I want a descriptor" carrying reply...
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