linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 02/21] ND NFIT-Defined/NVIDIMM Subsystem

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Message-ID: <20150420070624.GB13876@gmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:06:24 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc:	linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org, Boaz Harrosh <boaz@...xistor.com>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@...e.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@...com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/21] ND NFIT-Defined/NVIDIMM Subsystem

* Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com> wrote:

> Maintainer information and documenation for drivers/block/nd/
> 
> Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
> Cc: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@...xistor.com>
> Cc: H. Peter Anvin <hpa@...or.com>
> Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@...com>
> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
> Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
> Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@...e.de>
> Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
> Signed-off-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/blockdev/nd.txt |  867 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  MAINTAINERS                   |   34 +-
>  2 files changed, 895 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/blockdev/nd.txt
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/blockdev/nd.txt b/Documentation/blockdev/nd.txt
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..bcfdf21063ab
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/blockdev/nd.txt
> @@ -0,0 +1,867 @@
> +                 The NFIT-Defined/NVDIMM Sub-system (ND)
> +
> +      nd - kernel abi / device-model & ndctl - userspace helper library
> +                         linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org
> +                            v9: April 17th, 2015
> +
> +
> +  Glossary
> +
> +  Overview
> +    Supporting Documents
> +    Git Trees
> +
> +  NFIT Terminology and NVDIMM Types
>
> [...]
>
> +The “NVDIMM Firmware Interface Table” (NFIT) [...]

Ok, I'll bite.

So why on earth is this whole concept and the naming itself 
('drivers/block/nd/' stands for 'NFIT Defined', apparently) revolving 
around a specific 'firmware' mindset and revolving around specific, 
weirdly named, overly complicated looking firmware interfaces that 
come with their own new weird glossary??

Firmware might be a discovery method - or not. A non-volatile device 
might be e820 enumerated, or PCI discovered - potentially with all 
discovery handled by the driver.

Why do you restrict this driver to a naming and design that is so 
firmware centric?

Discovery matters, but what matters _most_ to devices is actually its 
runtime properties and runtime implementation - and I sure hope 
firmware has no active role in that!

I really think this is backwards from the get go, it gives me a 
feeling of someone having spent way too much time in committee and too 
little time spent thinking about simple, proper kernel design and 
reusing existing terminology ...

Also:

+      nd - kernel abi / device-model & ndctl - userspace helper library

WTF is a 'kernel ABI'??

Thanks,

	Ingo
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