linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

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Message-ID: <5540C1A3.2050507@gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:33:55 +0200
From:	Harald Hoyer <harald.hoyer@...il.com>
To:	John Stoffel <john@...ffel.org>, Havoc Pennington <hp@...ox.com>
CC:	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Lukasz Skalski <l.skalski@...sung.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

On 29.04.2015 01:12, John Stoffel wrote:
>>>>>> "Havoc" == Havoc Pennington <hp@...ox.com> writes:
> 
> Havoc> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu> wrote:
>>> I find dbus to be extremely hard to debug when my desktop starts doing
>>> things I don't want it to do.  The fact that it might be flinging around hundreds
>>> of thousands of messages, and that this is something we want to encourage,
> 
> Havoc> This particular argument doesn't resonate with me ... if dbus
> Havoc> is hard to debug, it's not as if "ad hoc application-specific
> Havoc> sidechannel somebody cooked up" is going to be easier.
> 
> When Ted is saying it's hard to debug... then maybe it's a bit crappy
> in design or implementation?  

There is a very nice tool to debug the traffic for kdbus.

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2014-March/016178.html

Also the patched wireshark makes it as easy as analyzing network traffic.
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