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Message-Id: <1430393772-27208-10-git-send-email-pbonzini@redhat.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:36:08 +0200
From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
To: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org
Cc: rkrcmar@...hat.com, bsd@...hat.com, guangrong.xiao@...ux.intel.com,
Yang Zhang <yang.z.zhang@...el.com>, wanpeng.li@...ux.intel.com
Subject: [PATCH 09/13] KVM: x86: save/load state on SMM switch
The big ugly one. This patch adds support for switching in and out of
system management mode, respectively upon receiving KVM_REQ_SMI and upon
executing a RSM instruction. Both 32- and 64-bit formats are supported
for the SMM state save area.
Signed-off-by: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
---
arch/x86/kvm/cpuid.h | 8 ++
arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c | 243 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
arch/x86/kvm/x86.c | 216 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
3 files changed, 465 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/cpuid.h b/arch/x86/kvm/cpuid.h
index c3b1ad9fca81..02b67616435d 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/cpuid.h
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/cpuid.h
@@ -70,6 +70,14 @@ static inline bool guest_cpuid_has_fsgsbase(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
return best && (best->ebx & bit(X86_FEATURE_FSGSBASE));
}
+static inline bool guest_cpuid_has_longmode(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
+{
+ struct kvm_cpuid_entry2 *best;
+
+ best = kvm_find_cpuid_entry(vcpu, 0x80000001, 0);
+ return best && (best->edx & bit(X86_FEATURE_LM));
+}
+
static inline bool guest_cpuid_has_osvw(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
{
struct kvm_cpuid_entry2 *best;
diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c b/arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c
index f6b641207416..a49606871277 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c
@@ -2262,12 +2262,253 @@ static int em_lseg(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt)
return rc;
}
+static int emulator_has_longmode(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt)
+{
+ u32 eax, ebx, ecx, edx;
+
+ eax = 0x80000001;
+ ecx = 0;
+ ctxt->ops->get_cpuid(ctxt, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
+ return edx & bit(X86_FEATURE_LM);
+}
+
+#define get_smstate(type, smbase, offset) \
+ ({ \
+ type __val; \
+ int r = ctxt->ops->read_std(ctxt, smbase + offset, &__val, \
+ sizeof(__val), NULL); \
+ if (r != X86EMUL_CONTINUE) \
+ return X86EMUL_UNHANDLEABLE; \
+ __val; \
+ })
+
+static void rsm_set_desc_flags(struct desc_struct *desc, u16 flags)
+{
+ desc->g = (flags >> 15) & 1;
+ desc->d = (flags >> 14) & 1;
+ desc->l = (flags >> 13) & 1;
+ desc->avl = (flags >> 12) & 1;
+ desc->p = (flags >> 7) & 1;
+ desc->dpl = (flags >> 5) & 3;
+ desc->s = (flags >> 4) & 1;
+ desc->type = flags & 15;
+}
+
+static int rsm_load_seg_32(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt, u64 smbase, int n)
+{
+ struct desc_struct desc;
+ int offset;
+ u16 selector;
+
+ selector = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7fa8 + n * 4);
+
+ if (n < 3)
+ offset = 0x7f84 + n * 12;
+ else
+ offset = 0x7f2c + (n - 3) * 12;
+
+ set_desc_base(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, offset + 8));
+ set_desc_limit(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, offset + 4));
+ rsm_set_desc_flags(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, offset));
+ ctxt->ops->set_segment(ctxt, selector, &desc, 0, n);
+ return X86EMUL_CONTINUE;
+}
+
+static int rsm_load_seg_64(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt, u64 smbase, int n)
+{
+ struct desc_struct desc;
+ int offset;
+ u16 selector;
+ u32 base3;
+
+ offset = 0x7e00 + n * 16;
+
+ selector = get_smstate(u16, smbase, offset);
+ rsm_set_desc_flags(&desc, get_smstate(u16, smbase, offset + 2));
+ set_desc_limit(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, offset + 4));
+ set_desc_base(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, offset + 8));
+ base3 = get_smstate(u32, smbase, offset + 12);
+
+ ctxt->ops->set_segment(ctxt, selector, &desc, base3, n);
+ return X86EMUL_CONTINUE;
+}
+
+static int rsm_enter_protected_mode(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt,
+ u64 cr0, u64 cr4)
+{
+ int bad;
+
+ /*
+ * First enable PAE, long mode needs it before CR0.PG = 1 is set.
+ * Then enable protected mode. However, PCID cannot be enabled
+ * if EFER.LMA=0, so set it separately.
+ */
+ bad = ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 4, cr4 & ~X86_CR4_PCIDE);
+ if (bad)
+ return X86EMUL_UNHANDLEABLE;
+
+ bad = ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 0, cr0);
+ if (bad)
+ return X86EMUL_UNHANDLEABLE;
+
+ if (cr4 & X86_CR4_PCIDE) {
+ bad = ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 4, cr4);
+ if (bad)
+ return X86EMUL_UNHANDLEABLE;
+ }
+
+ return X86EMUL_CONTINUE;
+}
+
+static int rsm_load_state_32(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt, u64 smbase)
+{
+ struct desc_struct desc;
+ struct desc_ptr dt;
+ u16 selector;
+ u32 val, cr0, cr4;
+ int i;
+
+ cr0 = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7ffc);
+ ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 3, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7ff8));
+ ctxt->eflags = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7ff4) | X86_EFLAGS_FIXED;
+ ctxt->_eip = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7ff0);
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 8; i++)
+ *reg_write(ctxt, i) = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7fd0 + i * 4);
+
+ val = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7fcc);
+ ctxt->ops->set_dr(ctxt, 6, (val & DR6_VOLATILE) | DR6_FIXED_1);
+ val = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7fc8);
+ ctxt->ops->set_dr(ctxt, 7, (val & DR7_VOLATILE) | DR7_FIXED_1);
+
+ selector = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7fc4);
+ set_desc_base(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f64));
+ set_desc_limit(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f60));
+ rsm_set_desc_flags(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f5c));
+ ctxt->ops->set_segment(ctxt, selector, &desc, 0, VCPU_SREG_TR);
+
+ selector = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7fc0);
+ set_desc_base(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f80));
+ set_desc_limit(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f7c));
+ rsm_set_desc_flags(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f78));
+ ctxt->ops->set_segment(ctxt, selector, &desc, 0, VCPU_SREG_LDTR);
+
+ dt.address = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f74);
+ dt.size = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f70);
+ ctxt->ops->set_gdt(ctxt, &dt);
+
+ dt.address = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f58);
+ dt.size = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f54);
+ ctxt->ops->set_idt(ctxt, &dt);
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 6; i++) {
+ int r = rsm_load_seg_32(ctxt, smbase, i);
+ if (r != X86EMUL_CONTINUE)
+ return r;
+ }
+
+ cr4 = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f14);
+
+ ctxt->ops->set_smbase(ctxt, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7ef8));
+
+ return rsm_enter_protected_mode(ctxt, cr0, cr4);
+}
+
+static int rsm_load_state_64(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt, u64 smbase)
+{
+ struct desc_struct desc;
+ struct desc_ptr dt;
+ u64 val, cr0, cr4;
+ u32 base3;
+ u16 selector;
+ int i;
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 16; i++)
+ *reg_write(ctxt, i) = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7ff8 - i * 8);
+
+ ctxt->_eip = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7f78);
+ ctxt->eflags = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f70) | X86_EFLAGS_FIXED;
+
+ val = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f68);
+ ctxt->ops->set_dr(ctxt, 6, (val & DR6_VOLATILE) | DR6_FIXED_1);
+ val = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f60);
+ ctxt->ops->set_dr(ctxt, 7, (val & DR7_VOLATILE) | DR7_FIXED_1);
+
+ cr0 = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7f58);
+ ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 3, get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7f50));
+ cr4 = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7f48);
+ ctxt->ops->set_smbase(ctxt, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7f00));
+ val = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7ed0);
+ ctxt->ops->set_msr(ctxt, MSR_EFER, val & ~EFER_LMA);
+
+ selector = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e90);
+ rsm_set_desc_flags(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e92));
+ set_desc_limit(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e94));
+ set_desc_base(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e98));
+ base3 = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e9c);
+ ctxt->ops->set_segment(ctxt, selector, &desc, base3, VCPU_SREG_TR);
+
+ dt.size = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e84);
+ dt.address = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7e88);
+ ctxt->ops->set_idt(ctxt, &dt);
+
+ selector = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e70);
+ rsm_set_desc_flags(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e72));
+ set_desc_limit(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e74));
+ set_desc_base(&desc, get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e78));
+ base3 = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e7c);
+ ctxt->ops->set_segment(ctxt, selector, &desc, base3, VCPU_SREG_LDTR);
+
+ dt.size = get_smstate(u32, smbase, 0x7e64);
+ dt.address = get_smstate(u64, smbase, 0x7e68);
+ ctxt->ops->set_gdt(ctxt, &dt);
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 6; i++) {
+ int r = rsm_load_seg_64(ctxt, smbase, i);
+ if (r != X86EMUL_CONTINUE)
+ return r;
+ }
+
+ return rsm_enter_protected_mode(ctxt, cr0, cr4);
+}
+
static int em_rsm(struct x86_emulate_ctxt *ctxt)
{
+ unsigned long cr0, cr4, efer;
+ u64 smbase;
+ int ret;
+
+ printk("rsm\n");
if ((ctxt->emul_flags & X86EMUL_SMM_MASK) == 0)
return emulate_ud(ctxt);
- return X86EMUL_UNHANDLEABLE;
+ /*
+ * Get back to real mode, to prepare a safe state in which
+ * to load CR0/CR3/CR4/EFER. Also this will ensure that
+ * addresses passed to read_std/write_std are not virtual.
+ */
+ cr0 = ctxt->ops->get_cr(ctxt, 0);
+ if (cr0 & X86_CR0_PE)
+ ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 0, cr0 & ~(X86_CR0_PG | X86_CR0_PE));
+ cr4 = ctxt->ops->get_cr(ctxt, 4);
+ if (cr0 & X86_CR4_PAE)
+ ctxt->ops->set_cr(ctxt, 4, cr4 & ~X86_CR4_PAE);
+ efer = 0;
+ ctxt->ops->set_msr(ctxt, MSR_EFER, efer);
+
+ ctxt->ops->get_msr(ctxt, MSR_IA32_SMBASE, &smbase);
+ if (emulator_has_longmode(ctxt))
+ ret = rsm_load_state_64(ctxt, smbase + 0x8000);
+ else
+ ret = rsm_load_state_32(ctxt, smbase + 0x8000);
+
+ if (ret != X86EMUL_CONTINUE) {
+ /* FIXME: should triple fault */
+ return X86EMUL_UNHANDLEABLE;
+ }
+
+ ctxt->emul_flags &= ~X86EMUL_SMM_MASK;
+ return X86EMUL_CONTINUE;
}
static void
diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
index 4cd7a2a18e93..ab6a38617813 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
@@ -6232,12 +6232,226 @@ static void process_nmi(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_EVENT, vcpu);
}
+#define put_smstate(type, buf, offset, val) \
+ *(type *)((buf) + (offset) - 0x7e00) = val
+
+static u16 process_smi_get_segment_flags(struct kvm_segment *seg)
+{
+ u16 flags = 0;
+ flags |= seg->g << 15;
+ flags |= seg->db << 14;
+ flags |= seg->l << 13;
+ flags |= seg->avl << 12;
+ flags |= seg->present << 7;
+ flags |= seg->dpl << 5;
+ flags |= seg->s << 4;
+ flags |= seg->type;
+ return flags;
+}
+
+static void process_smi_save_seg_32(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, char *buf, int n)
+{
+ struct kvm_segment seg;
+ int offset;
+
+ kvm_get_segment(vcpu, &seg, n);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7fa8 + n * 4, seg.selector);
+
+ if (n < 3)
+ offset = 0x7f84 + n * 12;
+ else
+ offset = 0x7f2c + (n - 3) * 12;
+
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, offset + 8, seg.base);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, offset + 4, seg.limit);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, offset, process_smi_get_segment_flags(&seg));
+}
+
+static void process_smi_save_seg_64(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, char *buf, int n)
+{
+ struct kvm_segment seg;
+ int offset;
+
+ kvm_get_segment(vcpu, &seg, n);
+ offset = 0x7e00 + n * 16;
+
+ put_smstate(u16, buf, offset, seg.selector);
+ put_smstate(u16, buf, offset + 2, process_smi_get_segment_flags(&seg));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, offset + 4, seg.limit);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, offset + 8, seg.base);
+}
+
+static void process_smi_save_state_32(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, char *buf)
+{
+ struct desc_ptr dt;
+ struct kvm_segment seg;
+ unsigned long val;
+ int i;
+
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7ffc, kvm_read_cr0(vcpu));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7ff8, kvm_read_cr3(vcpu));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7ff4, kvm_get_rflags(vcpu));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7ff0, kvm_rip_read(vcpu));
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 8; i++)
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7fd0 + i * 4, kvm_register_read(vcpu, i));
+
+ kvm_get_dr(vcpu, 6, &val);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7fcc, (u32)val);
+ kvm_get_dr(vcpu, 7, &val);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7fc8, (u32)val);
+
+ kvm_get_segment(vcpu, &seg, VCPU_SREG_TR);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7fc4, seg.selector);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f64, seg.base);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f60, seg.limit);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f5c, process_smi_get_segment_flags(&seg));
+
+ kvm_get_segment(vcpu, &seg, VCPU_SREG_LDTR);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7fc0, seg.selector);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f80, seg.base);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f7c, seg.limit);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f78, process_smi_get_segment_flags(&seg));
+
+ kvm_x86_ops->get_gdt(vcpu, &dt);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f74, dt.address);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f70, dt.size);
+
+ kvm_x86_ops->get_idt(vcpu, &dt);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f58, dt.address);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f54, dt.size);
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 6; i++)
+ process_smi_save_seg_32(vcpu, buf, i);
+
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f14, kvm_read_cr4(vcpu));
+
+ /* revision id */
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7efc, 0x00020000);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7ef8, vcpu->arch.smbase);
+}
+
+static void process_smi_save_state_64(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, char *buf)
+{
+#ifdef CONFIG_X86_64
+ struct desc_ptr dt;
+ struct kvm_segment seg;
+ unsigned long val;
+ int i;
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 16; i++)
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7ff8 - i * 8, kvm_register_read(vcpu, i));
+
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7f78, kvm_rip_read(vcpu));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f70, kvm_get_rflags(vcpu));
+
+ kvm_get_dr(vcpu, 6, &val);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7f68, val);
+ kvm_get_dr(vcpu, 7, &val);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7f60, val);
+
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7f58, kvm_read_cr0(vcpu));
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7f50, kvm_read_cr3(vcpu));
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7f48, kvm_read_cr4(vcpu));
+
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7f00, vcpu->arch.smbase);
+
+ /* revision id */
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7efc, 0x00020064);
+
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7ed0, vcpu->arch.efer);
+
+ kvm_get_segment(vcpu, &seg, VCPU_SREG_TR);
+ put_smstate(u16, buf, 0x7e90, seg.selector);
+ put_smstate(u16, buf, 0x7e92, process_smi_get_segment_flags(&seg));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7e94, seg.limit);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7e98, seg.base);
+
+ kvm_x86_ops->get_idt(vcpu, &dt);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7e84, dt.size);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7e88, dt.address);
+
+ kvm_get_segment(vcpu, &seg, VCPU_SREG_LDTR);
+ put_smstate(u16, buf, 0x7e70, seg.selector);
+ put_smstate(u16, buf, 0x7e72, process_smi_get_segment_flags(&seg));
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7e74, seg.limit);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7e78, seg.base);
+
+ kvm_x86_ops->get_gdt(vcpu, &dt);
+ put_smstate(u32, buf, 0x7e64, dt.size);
+ put_smstate(u64, buf, 0x7e68, dt.address);
+
+ for (i = 0; i < 6; i++)
+ process_smi_save_seg_64(vcpu, buf, i);
+#else
+ WARN_ON_ONCE(1);
+#endif
+}
+
static void process_smi(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
{
+ struct kvm_segment cs, ds;
+ char buf[512];
+ u32 cr0;
+ int r;
+
if (is_smm(vcpu))
return;
- printk_once(KERN_DEBUG "Ignoring guest SMI\n");
+ printk("smm %llx\n", vcpu->arch.smbase);
+ vcpu->arch.hflags |= HF_SMM_MASK;
+ memset(buf, 0, 512);
+ if (guest_cpuid_has_longmode(vcpu))
+ process_smi_save_state_64(vcpu, buf);
+ else
+ process_smi_save_state_32(vcpu, buf);
+
+ r = kvm_write_guest(vcpu->kvm, vcpu->arch.smbase + 0xfe00, buf, sizeof(buf));
+ if (r < 0)
+ return;
+
+ kvm_x86_ops->set_nmi_mask(vcpu, true);
+ kvm_set_rflags(vcpu, X86_EFLAGS_FIXED);
+ kvm_rip_write(vcpu, 0x8000);
+
+ cr0 = vcpu->arch.cr0 & ~(X86_CR0_PE | X86_CR0_EM | X86_CR0_TS | X86_CR0_PG);
+ kvm_x86_ops->set_cr0(vcpu, cr0);
+ vcpu->arch.cr0 = cr0;
+
+ kvm_x86_ops->set_cr4(vcpu, 0);
+
+ __kvm_set_dr(vcpu, 7, DR7_FIXED_1);
+
+ cs.selector = (vcpu->arch.smbase >> 4) & 0xffff;
+ cs.base = vcpu->arch.smbase;
+
+ ds.selector = 0;
+ ds.base = 0;
+
+ cs.limit = ds.limit = 0xffffffff;
+ cs.type = ds.type = 0x3;
+ cs.dpl = ds.dpl = 0;
+ cs.db = ds.db = 0;
+ cs.s = ds.s = 1;
+ cs.l = ds.l = 0;
+ cs.g = ds.g = 1;
+ cs.avl = ds.avl = 0;
+ cs.present = ds.present = 1;
+ cs.unusable = ds.unusable = 0;
+ cs.padding = ds.padding = 0;
+
+ kvm_set_segment(vcpu, &cs, VCPU_SREG_CS);
+ kvm_set_segment(vcpu, &ds, VCPU_SREG_DS);
+ kvm_set_segment(vcpu, &ds, VCPU_SREG_ES);
+ kvm_set_segment(vcpu, &ds, VCPU_SREG_FS);
+ kvm_set_segment(vcpu, &ds, VCPU_SREG_GS);
+ kvm_set_segment(vcpu, &ds, VCPU_SREG_SS);
+
+ if (guest_cpuid_has_longmode(vcpu))
+ kvm_x86_ops->set_efer(vcpu, 0);
+
+ kvm_update_cpuid(vcpu);
+ kvm_mmu_reset_context(vcpu);
}
static void vcpu_scan_ioapic(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
--
1.8.3.1
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