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Message-ID: <1431381687.2398.119.camel@x220>
Date:	Tue, 12 May 2015 00:01:27 +0200
From:	Paul Bolle <pebolle@...cali.nl>
To:	Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@...allels.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Bertrand Jacquin <beber@...eeweb.net>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...e.com>,
	Iulia Manda <iulia.manda21@...il.com>,
	Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@...il.com>,
	Clark Williams <clark.williams@...il.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/1] init/Kconfig: Split expert menu into a separate
 file, init/Kconfig.expert

On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 14:47 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:32:28PM +0200, Paul Bolle wrote:
> > Is squashing those two lines worth a new kconfig mechanism?
> 
> In my opinion, yes.  If you use the implicit (and error-prone)
> menuconfig submenuing, you get a single entry with the '[ ]' and the
> submenu.  There are currently 272 instances of "menuconfig" in Kconfig
> files.

How many of those use the subtle trick EXPERT uses?

> I'd like to have a less error-prone mechanism for people to use,
> with an explicit "endmenu" at the end, and I don't want to leave any
> incentive for people to need the more error-prone version.
> 
> I would be tempted to just make "menuconfig" require an endmenu, and
> convert all users, but that would almost certainly break many
> third-party users of kconfig.  So instead, I'm currently extending
> "menu" (which already expects "endmenu") to allow the syntax
> "menu config SYMBOL", which acts like a combination of "config SYMBOL"
> and a menu with "visible if SYMBOL".

Bikeshedding (before I'm even convinced of the need of this extension):
"menu config" is far too similar to "menuconfig".

> Diffstat for the patch I'm testing
> right now:
> 
>  scripts/kconfig/zconf.y | 18 ++++++++++++++++++
>   1 file changed, 18 insertions(+)
> 
> That seems worthwhile to have a less error-prone menu mechanism.
> 
> (The actual patch would also need to updated zconf.tab.c_shipped.)

And some lines in Documentation/kbuild/kconfig-language.txt (speaking
from memory).

> (Also, the diff you posted would be smaller if you left "config EXPERT"
> at the top of init/Kconfig.expert; why the move?)

It was a quick hack. I didn't gave the move much thought, to be honest.

Thanks,


Paul Bolle

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