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Message-ID: <s5hmw0x4z12.wl-tiwai@suse.de>
Date:	Thu, 21 May 2015 19:32:25 +0200
From:	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@...e.de>
To:	Arend van Spriel <arend@...adcom.com>
Cc:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	Marcel Holtmann <marcel@...tmann.org>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com>,
	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@...onical.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@...oraproject.org>,
	"Johan Hedberg" <johan.hedberg@...il.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
	"Gustavo F. Padovan" <gustavo@...ovan.org>,
	"bluez mailin list (linux-bluetooth@...r.kernel.org)" 
	<linux-bluetooth@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
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	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RESEND][PATCH] Bluetooth: Make request workqueue freezable

At Thu, 21 May 2015 19:27:41 +0200,
Arend van Spriel wrote:
> 
> On 05/21/15 17:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Thu, 21 May 2015 11:26:17 -0400 (EDT),
> > Alan Stern wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 21 May 2015, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>
> >>> At Thu, 21 May 2015 10:18:08 -0400 (EDT),
> >>> Alan Stern wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 21 May 2015, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Then avoiding the failed firmware is no solution, indeed.
> >>>>> If it's a new probe, it should be never executed during resume.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you expand this comment?  What's wrong with probing during resume?
> >>>
> >>> Well, if the probe requires the access to a user-space file, it can't
> >>> be done during resume.  That's the very problem we're seeing now.
> >>> The firmware loader can't help much alone if it's a new device
> >>> object.
> >>
> >> But the same thing happens during early boot, if the driver is built
> >> into the kernel.  When the probe occurs, userspace isn't up and running
> >> yet, so the firmware loader can't do anything.
> >>
> >> Why should probe during resume be any worse than probe during early
> >> boot?
> >
> > The early boot has initrd, so the files can be there.  But the resume
> > has no way to fetch the file except for cached data.
> 
> but initrd is optional so without initrd it is pretty much the same.

User can build the firmware into the kernel.


Takashi
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