Message-ID: <20150529181740.GA24053@gmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 29 May 2015 20:17:40 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:	Dave Hansen <dave@...1.net>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <sbsiddha@...il.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@...el.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/19] x86, fpu: Wrap get_xsave_addr() to make it safer


* Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:

> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Dave Hansen <dave@...1.net> wrote:
> > On 05/28/2015 08:01 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >> But the real question is: can we support in-use MPX with asynchronous lazy
> >> restore, while it's still semantically correct? I don't think so, unless you add
> >> MPX specific synchronous restore to the context switch path, which isn't such a
> >> good idea IMHO.
> >
> > Right now, we assume that the first use of the FPU gets an #ND exception to 
> > tell us that someone is using the FPU.  MPX doesn't generate #ND, thus the 
> > need to do it eagerly.

Basically MPX is not really a vector operation, it just uses the xstate (as in 
'extended CPU state') context area to do easy saves/restores on context switches. 
MPX is an MMU-ish feature.

That's an entirely sensible design approach, which reduces the support code needed 
for MPX, and it's not surprising that MPX accesses were not made conditional on 
CR0::TS.

> > On CPUs that support it we could, instead, do an xgetbv during the context 
> > switch to ensure that all things having an xstate/xfeature but that do not 
> > generate #ND exceptions are in their init state.  If they are not in their 
> > init state, we exit lazy mode.

Yeah, no, we don't need to do anything complex here.

This property is something we know when MPX gets enabled, so for MPX tasks we 
should either simply set _TIF_WORK_CTXSW and let __switch_to_xtra() handle it, or 
should slightly modify the eagerfpu choice code to always do eager restores when 
switching to an MPX task.

Nothing complex is needed to support the mixed lazy/eager model, the current FPU 
code handles it just fine, because it's already a mixed lazy/eager model :-)

> > We could theoretically use the same kind of thing with the compacted xsave 
> > format to ensure that we only allocate enough space for what we *need* in the 
> > xsave buffer and not allocate for the worst-case.  AVX512 has 32x512-bit 
> > registers (2kbytes) and it would be a bit of a shame to need to allocate ~3k 
> > of space.
> 
> I understand the point of this type of optimization (except that I really don't 
> like the idea of sending SIGBUS or whatever if we fail an allocation at context 
> switch time), but why are we even considering trying to support MPX and lazy fpu 
> at the same time?  Judging from all the bug reports, it seems like it's a giant 
> mess, and the code to support lazy restore is not exactly pretty.
> 
> I would propose that we take the opposite approach and just ban eagerfpu=off 
> when MPX is enabled.  We could then take the next step and default eagerfpu=on 
> for everyone and, if nothing breaks, then just delete lazy mode entirely.
> 
> I suspect we'd have to go back to Pentium 3 or earlier to find a CPU on which 
> lazy mode is actually a good idea.  Fiddling with CR0 and handling exceptions is 
> really slow, and I think we should trust CPUs with XSAVEOPT support to do their 
> job and let the older CPUs take the small performance hit, if it even is a 
> performance hit.

It's not that simple, because the decision is not 'lazy versus eager', but 'mixed 
lazy/eager versus eager-only':

Even on modern machines, if a task is not using the FPU (it's doing integer only 
work, with short sleeps just shuffling around requests, etc.) then context 
switches get up to 5-10% faster with lazy FPU restores.

So we have this dynamic measurement code in place in the lazy case that 
opportunistically enables eagerfpu handling on a per task basis, and that method 
works pretty efficiently and has a good hit rate in isolating FPU-users from 
integer-users.

So it's not 'lazy restores versus eager restores', but:

  - optimized, mixed lazy and eager use
  vs.
  - eager-only use

Which is a lot less clear-cut choice.

It's true that right now we forcibly use eagerfpu on all modern CPUs (XSAVE 
supporting ones - in essence modern Intel CPUs) which hides all this - but if you 
re-enable it it's measurable even on Intel systems. On AMD systems it's the 
current state of affairs right now.

Also, I'd like to point out that the FPU code is a lot less of a mess in the 
latest x86/fpu tree! ;-)

I'd not give up on lazy restores just yet - or at least not without much better 
measurements backing it all up...

Thanks,

	Ingo
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