linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 02/10] x86: Compile-time asm code validation

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Message-ID: <557B0232.50108@redhat.com>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:00:50 +0100
From:	Pedro Alves <palves@...hat.com>
To:	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>
CC:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@...e.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	live-patching@...r.kernel.org, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/10] x86: Compile-time asm code validation

On 06/12/2015 03:10 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:18:16PM +0100, Pedro Alves wrote:
>> On 06/11/2015 03:10 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
>>
>>> C would definitely make more sense when analyzing object code.  In fact,
>>> asmvalidate is written in C.  But then I guess we'd have to re-implement
>>> the .cfi stuff and populate the DWARF sections manually instead of
>>> letting the assembler do it.
>>
>> Was doing all this directly in the assembler considered?  That is,
>> e.g., add some knob that makes it error/warn in the same conditions
>> you're making the validator catch.  For tail calls, you'd e.g., add
>> some  new ".nonlocal" directive that you'd use to whitelist the
>> following jump.  And then if it's possible run a CFI generator
>> as a separate step over the source, it sounds like it should also
>> be possible to have the assembler do it instead too (again with
>> some new high level directive to trigger/help it).
> 
> In general I think doing these types of things in the assembler would be
> a good idea.  Missing or inaccurate debug data for asm code seems to be
> a common problem for other projects as well.  As Andy pointed out,
> they're doing similar things in musl [1].

Thanks for the pointer.

> So it might be useful to add
> an option to the assembler which validates that the code conforms to
> certain structural rules, and then inserts frame pointer and/or .cfi
> directives.

> That said, the kernel has much more custom features than other projects.
> There are some sneaky macros, like _ASM_EXTABLE and ALTERNATIVE, which
> hide code in various sections.  Unless we're able to somehow either stop
> using these macros or isolate them to a few places, I doubt that such a
> general purpose assembler option would work.

How does the asmvalidator handle these?

> [1] http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2015/05/31/5

Thanks,
Pedro Alves

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