Message-ID: <558A778C.40306@cogentembedded.com>
Date:	Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:25:32 +0300
From:	Vladimir Barinov <vladimir.barinov@...entembedded.com>
To:	Jonathan Cameron <jic23@...nel.org>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@...afoo.de>
CC:	Hartmut Knaack <knaack.h@....de>,
	Peter Meerwald <pmeerw@...erw.net>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@....com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@...lion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@...eaurora.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-iio@...r.kernel.org,
	devicetree@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] iio: adc: hi-843x: Holt HI-8435/8436/8437 descrete
 ADC

On 21.06.2015 17:14, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
>>> I'd call this a threshold detector. The device seems to have two
>>> comparators for each channel, one for the lower threshold, one for
>>> the upper threshold. If the voltage level goes above the upper
>>> threshold a FF is set, if it goes below the lower threshold the FF
>>> is cleared. Both transitions happen asynchronously as soon has the
>>> signal is below/above the threshold. And while converts a analog
>>> signal to digital one this is not what you typically call a ADC.
>> Should this be a separate/new directory in the drivers/iio/ for such driver?
> Given we could in theory have comparators for any type of channel it probably doesn't
> make sense to have a whole new directory.  Perhaps a section in the config.
>> What the type of iio_chan_spec should I use instead of IIO_VOLTAGE?
> I've been thinking about this.  Maybe we should use the same approach we already
> use for 'computed' channel values such as root sum squared accelerations that turn
> up occasionally and do this as a modifier.
>
> So the channel type would be voltage, but with the modifier comparator (shortening
> it would just get confusing).  This also maps nicely to devices that offer both
> normal adc channels and comparators on the same pin (if that ever happens!)
>
> Hence the attributes etc would be:
> in_voltage0_comparator_raw
>
> Do you think that would be clear / flexible enough?
yes
>>>> I wonder if we want to take this oportunity to add 1 bit packing to the
>>>> demux etc in the IIO core so we can have tighter packing on these
>>>> values.  Shouldn't be too hard to do and we probably do want it if we are
>>>> going to support these sorts of devices.
>>>>
>>>> Will take a bit of shuffling to pack the relevant channels together if only
>>>> a subset are enabled and to notice when no repacking at all is needed.
>>>> This will probably first one implementing in the core and pushing out into
>>>> the dummy driver to allow for testing of corner cases.
>>> Yeah, the bit shuffling gets quite cumbersome and potentially
>>> expensive. I think we should try to avoid it if at least one of the
>>> channels in the same bank is enabled all of them are read. And then
>>> let userspace figure out which bits it wants to use.
>>>
>>> But how exactly is the typical expect usage of this device. Like
>>> how would a userspace application use it? Is buffered mode where
>>> samples are taken in a continuous mode something that is really
>>> needed?
>> I was expecting to use triggered buffer for this device:
>> 1) setup threshold levels via sysfs
>> 2) enable scan elements
>> 3) setup trigger
>> 4) grab data from triggered iio buffer like the
>> tools/iio/generic_buffer.c does, f.e. ./generic_buffer -n hi-8435 -t
>> irqtrig0 -l 100 -c 1000
> Good, you are going about it the right way then.  Makes sense as this
> is what you'd do for similar devices such as a logic analyzer.
>> Actually I understand that I can just read manually the
>> /sysfs/.../in_voltageXX_raw (or new/other name) values but using of
>> iio generic irq trigger would be very good.
> What is generating the interrupt?   Are we looking at a 'dataready'
> type interrupt or some other pseudo (or actual) fixed frequency, or
> are we talking an interrupt on the state of one of the inputs changing?
>
> If the second case, then an event based approach may make more sense
> than using buffers.
Actually it is a interrupt that should occur on the state change of one 
of the inputs.

But hi8435 chip does not have it's own dedicated/hardware interrupt line 
for this purposes, so it
requires any kind of polling (hardware from pwm/gpio, or s/w polling 
inside the driver)

Probably I'm not right by trying to use "iio irq trigger" from external 
hardware line (like gpio/pwm)
and I have to implement polling inside driver.

Event based approach is good enough.
>> About bits shuffling/separating. I do think we can use banks byte
>> length for one iio channel instead of 1-bit length to avoid such
>> complexity. Then let user space separate bank's channels by itself.
> On high channel count devices this could get nasty quickly.
>
> I'd like to explore Lars' suggestion that we use shared scan_indexes
> for a set of channels, and different shift / mask values.  I don't
> think it would need any particularly substantial changes in kernel
> and obviously only usespace code using this new type of device would
> need to know about it.
>
> I'd relax the suggestion he made to have it always sample all channels
> in a given scan index, to say that it can if it makes sense.  We won't
> bother masking them out, but if it is quicker for the device to not read
> those that aren't enabled, then it is up to the device whether it does.
>
> The issue is that if we let a device in now with the 8bits per bit
> interface, we kind of commit to at least having userspace support that
> long term which isn't nice (though not too bad I suppose as it is just
> the least efficient case of what we are talking about doing anyway).
>
Ok, I see

Regards,
Vladimir
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