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Date:	Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:34:04 -0400
From:	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...hip.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/5] nohz: support PR_CPU_ISOLATED_STRICT mode

On 07/13/2015 05:47 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...hip.com> wrote:
>> With cpu_isolated mode, the task is in principle guaranteed not to be
>> interrupted by the kernel, but only if it behaves.  In particular, if it
>> enters the kernel via system call, page fault, or any of a number of other
>> synchronous traps, it may be unexpectedly exposed to long latencies.
>> Add a simple flag that puts the process into a state where any such
>> kernel entry is fatal.
>>
> To me, this seems like the wrong design.  If nothing else, it seems
> too much like an abusable anti-debugging mechanism.  I can imagine
> some per-task flag "I think I shouldn't be interrupted now" and a
> tracepoint that fires if the task is interrupted with that flag set.
> But the strong cpu isolation stuff requires systemwide configuration,
> and I think that monitoring that it works should work similarly.

First, you mention a per-task flag, but not specifically whether the
proposed prctl() mechanism is a reasonable way to set that flag.
Just wanted to clarify that this wasn't an issue in and of itself for you.

Second, you suggest a tracepoint.  I'm OK with creating a tracepoint
dedicated to cpu_isolated strict failures and making that the only
way this mechanism works.  But, earlier community feedback seemed to
suggest that the signal mechanism was OK; one piece of feedback
just requested being able to set which signal was delivered.  Do you
think the signal idea is a bad one?  Are you proposing potentially
having a signal and/or a tracepoint?

Last, you mention systemwide configuration for monitoring.  Can you
expand on what you mean by that?  We already support the monitoring
only on the nohz_full cores, so to that extent it's already systemwide.
And the per-task flag has to be set by the running process when it's
ready for this state, so that can't really be systemwide configuration.
I don't understand your suggestion on this point.

>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/ptrace.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/ptrace.c
>> index d882b833dbdb..7315b1579cbd 100644
>> --- a/arch/arm64/kernel/ptrace.c
>> +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/ptrace.c
>> @@ -1150,6 +1150,10 @@ static void tracehook_report_syscall(struct pt_regs *regs,
>>
>>   asmlinkage int syscall_trace_enter(struct pt_regs *regs)
>>   {
>> +       /* Ensure we report cpu_isolated violations in all circumstances. */
>> +       if (test_thread_flag(TIF_NOHZ) && tick_nohz_cpu_isolated_strict())
>> +               tick_nohz_cpu_isolated_syscall(regs->syscallno);
> IMO this is pointless.  If a user wants a syscall to kill them, use
> seccomp.  The kernel isn't at fault if the user does a syscall when it
> didn't want to enter the kernel.

Interesting!  I didn't realize how close SECCOMP_SET_MODE_STRICT
was to what I wanted here.  One concern is that there doesn't seem
to be a way to "escape" from seccomp strict mode, i.e. you can't
call seccomp() again to turn it off - which makes sense for seccomp
since it's a security issue, but not so much sense with cpu_isolated.

So, do you think there's a good role for the seccomp() API to play
in achieving this goal?  It's certainly not a question of "the kernel at
fault" but rather "asking the kernel to help catch user mistakes"
(typically third-party libraries in our customers' experience).  You
could imagine a SECCOMP_SET_MODE_ISOLATED or something.

Alternatively, we could stick with the API proposed in my patch
series, or something similar, and just try to piggy-back on the seccomp
internals to make it happen.  It would require Kconfig to ensure
that SECCOMP was enabled though, which obviously isn't currently
required to do cpu isolation.

>> @@ -35,8 +36,12 @@ static inline enum ctx_state exception_enter(void)
>>                  return 0;
>>
>>          prev_ctx = this_cpu_read(context_tracking.state);
>> -       if (prev_ctx != CONTEXT_KERNEL)
>> -               context_tracking_exit(prev_ctx);
>> +       if (prev_ctx != CONTEXT_KERNEL) {
>> +               if (context_tracking_exit(prev_ctx)) {
>> +                       if (tick_nohz_cpu_isolated_strict())
>> +                               tick_nohz_cpu_isolated_exception();
>> +               }
>> +       }
> NACK.  I'm cautiously optimistic that an x86 kernel 4.3 or newer will
> simply never call exception_enter.  It certainly won't call it
> frequently unless something goes wrong with the patches that are
> already in -tip.

This is intended to catch user exceptions like page faults, GPV or
(on platforms where this would happen) unaligned data traps.
The kernel still has a role to play here and cpu_isolated mode
needs to let the user know they have accidentally entered
the kernel in this case.

>> --- a/kernel/context_tracking.c
>> +++ b/kernel/context_tracking.c
>> @@ -147,15 +147,16 @@ NOKPROBE_SYMBOL(context_tracking_user_enter);
>>    * This call supports re-entrancy. This way it can be called from any exception
>>    * handler without needing to know if we came from userspace or not.
>>    */
>> -void context_tracking_exit(enum ctx_state state)
>> +bool context_tracking_exit(enum ctx_state state)
>>   {
>>          unsigned long flags;
>> +       bool from_user = false;
>>
> IMO the internal context tracking API (e.g. context_tracking_exit) are
> mostly of the form "hey context tracking: I don't really know what
> you're doing or what I'm doing, but let me call you and make both of
> us feel better."  You're making it somewhat worse: now it's all of the
> above plus "I don't even know whether I just entered the kernel --
> maybe you have a better idea".
>
> Starting with 4.3, x86 kernels will know *exactly* when they enter the
> kernel.  All of this context tracking what-was-my-previous-state stuff
> will remain until someone kills it, but when it goes away we'll get a
> nice performance boost.
>
> So, no, let's implement this for real if we're going to implement it.

I'm certainly OK with rebasing on top of 4.3 after the context
tracking stuff is better.  That said, I think it makes sense to continue
to debate the intent of the patch series even if we pull this one
patch out and defer it until after 4.3, or having it end up pulled
into some other repo that includes the improvements and
is being pulled for 4.3.

-- 
Chris Metcalf, EZChip Semiconductor
http://www.ezchip.com

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