linux-kernel - Re: Dealing with the NMI mess

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <20150724075841.40f209f4@gandalf.local.home>
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:58:41 -0400
From:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with the NMI mess

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:13:26 +0200
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 02:59:56PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > Hmmm. I thought watchpoints were "before the instruction" too, but
> > that's just because I haven't used them in ages, and I didn't remember
> > the details. I just looked it up.
> > 
> > You're right - the memory watchpoints trigger after the instruction
> > has executed, so RF isn't an issue. So yes, the only issue is
> > instruction breakpoints, and those are the only ones we need to clear.
> > 
> > And that makes it really easy.
> > 
> > So yes, I agree. We only need to clear all kernel breakpoints.
> 
> But but but, we can access userspace with !IF, imagine someone doing:
> 
>   local_irq_disable();
>   copy_from_user_inatomic();
> 
> and as luck would have it, there's a breakpoint on the user memory we
> just touched. And we go and disable a user breakpoint.

Where does the kernel do that to user text? I would think that user
data would only have watchpoints, and Andy and Linus said that those
would not be disabled (I'm guessing because they don't have the RF flag
set, and forward progress can proceed). If the kernel does the above to
user code and there's a breakpoint there, would it even trigger?

I'm not too familiar with how to use hw breakpoints, but I'm guessing
(correct me if I'm wrong) that breakpoints on code that trigger when
executed, but watchpoints on data trigger when accessed. Then
copy_from_user_inatomic() would only trigger on watchpoints (it's not
executing that code, at least I hope it isn't!), and those wont bother
us.

Or am I totally off base here?

-- Steve
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/