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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:03:44 -0700
From: Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 1/1] Documentation: describe how to add a system call
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 06:02:34PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 01:03:43PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:21:54AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > >> I like this, it's a good description of both options. I'm still biased
> > >> about the approach: I prefer flags, since pointers to user structures
> > >> complicate syscall filtering. ;)
> > >
> > > Seems like we should do two things to make that easier:
> > >
> > > 1) Create a standardized kernel mechanism for parameter-struct handling,
> > > implementing the recommendations mentioned here.
> >
> > It's been suggested in the past that nlmsg is appropriate for such a
> > thing, but I remain suspicious. :)
>
> Likewise. :)
>
> > > 2) Integrate into that mechanism a way to filter the resulting parameter
> > > struct with BPF *after* it has been copied to kernel space (and thus
> > > can no longer be tampered with).
> >
> > Yeah, this is a irritating part: the structures operated on are copied
> > from userspace adhoc in each syscall. Doing argument checking would
> > mean double copies initially, and perhaps teaching syscalls about
> > optional "already copied" arguments or something as an optimization.
>
> No, double copies can't work for security reasons. Because otherwise
> you could race the kernel from another thread, substituting different
> values after the check and before the use.
>
> I think the right API looks *roughly* like this:
>
> int _copy_param_struct(size_t kernel_len, void *kernel_struct, size_t user_len, void __user *user_struct)
> {
> if (user_len > kernel_len)
> return -EINVAL;
> if (user_len && copy_from_user(kernel_struct, user_struct, user_len))
> return -EFAULT;
> if (user_len < kernel_len)
> memset(kernel_struct + user_len, 0, kernel_len - user_len);
> return 0;
> }
>
> #define copy_param_struct(kernel_struct, user_len, user_struct) _copy_param_struct( \
> sizeof(*kernel_struct) + BUILD_BUG_ON_ZERO(!__same_type(*kernel_struct, *user_struct)), \
> kernel_struct, user_len, user_struct)
>
>
> Then the syscall looks like this:
>
> SYSCALL_DEFINEn(xyzzy, ..., ..., size_t user_params_len, struct xyzzy_params __user *user_params)
Missed a couple of commas here (after the types and before the names).
> {
> int ret;
> struct xyzzy_params params;
>
> ret = copy_param_struct(¶ms, user_params_len, user_params);
> if (ret)
> return ret;
> ...
>
>
> And you could then hook copy_params_struct to add arbitrary additional
> syscall parameter validation. Bonus if there's some way to make the
> copy and validation occur before the syscall is ever invoked, rather
> than inside the syscall, but that would require adding fancier syscall
> definition mechanisms that autogenerate such code.
>
> - Josh Triplett
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