linux-kernel - Re: regression introduced by "block: Add support for DAX reads/writes to block devices"

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Message-ID: <x49y4hf3yba.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com>
Date:	Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:14:49 -0400
From:	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@...hat.com>
To:	Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@...com>
Cc:	Boaz Harrosh <boaz@...xistor.com>,
	"Wilcox\, Matthew R" <matthew.r.wilcox@...el.com>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Vishal L. Verma" <vishal.l.verma@...el.com>
Subject: Re: regression introduced by "block: Add support for DAX reads/writes to block devices"

Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@...com> writes:

>> I'd be fine with changing the persistent memory block device to only
>> support 4k logical, 4k physical block size.  That probably makes the
>> most sense.
>
> If that's what we want, the current patch doesn't do that.
> https://lists.01.org/pipermail/linux-nvdimm/2015-July/001555.html
>
> It causes the physical block size to be PAGE_SIZE but the
> logical block size is still 512.  However, the minimum_io_size
> is now 4096 (same as physical block size, I assume).  The
> optimal_io_size is still 0.  What does that mean?

physical block size - device's internal block size
logical block size - addressable unit
optimal io size - device's preferred unit for streaming
minimum io size - device’s preferred minimum unit for random I/O

See Martin Petersen's "Linux & Advanced Storage Interfaces" document for
more information.

> Whatever we go with, we should do something because 4.2rc6 is still
> broken, unable to create a xfs file system on a pmem device, ever
> since the change to use DAX on block devices with O_DIRECT.

We can change the block device to export logical/physical block sizes of
PAGE_SIZE.  However, when persistent memory support comes to platforms
that support page sizes > 32k, xfs will again run into problems (Dave
Chinner mentioned that xfs can't deal with logical block sizes >32k.)
Arguably, you can use pmem and dax on such platforms using RAM today for
testing.  Do we care about breaking that?

Cheers,
Jeff
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