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Date:	Sat, 15 Aug 2015 07:47:00 -0600
From:	Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>
To:	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dotorg.org>
Cc:	Lucas Stach <dev@...xeye.de>,
	"linux-tegra@...r.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@...r.kernel.org>,
	lak <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dia.com>,
	Russell King <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
	Lee Jones <lee@...nel.org>,
	Devicetree Discuss <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@...eaurora.org>,
	lk <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@...lion.org.uk>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
	linux-rpi-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@....com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm: rpi: Device tree modifications for U-Boot

Hi Stephen,

On 14 August 2015 at 21:46, Stephen Warren <swarren@...dotorg.org> wrote:
> On 08/12/2015 07:21 AM, Simon Glass wrote:
>> Hi Lucas,
>>
>> On 11 August 2015 at 11:05, Lucas Stach <dev@...xeye.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> why did you send this to the Tegra ML?
>>>
>>> Am Dienstag, den 11.08.2015, 08:25 -0600 schrieb Simon Glass:
>>>> This updates the device tree from the kernel version to something suitable
>>>> for U-Boot:
>>>>
>>>> - Add stdout-path alias for console
>>>> - Mark the /soc node to be available pre-relocation so that the early
>>>> serial console works (we need the 'ranges' property to be available)
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>>  arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi | 4 +++-
>>>>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi b/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi
>>>> index 301c73f..bd6bff6 100644
>>>> --- a/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi
>>>> +++ b/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi
>>>> @@ -8,6 +8,7 @@
>>>>
>>>>       chosen {
>>>>               bootargs = "earlyprintk console=ttyAMA0";
>>>> +             stdout-path = &uart;
>>>>       };
>>>>
>>>>       soc {
>>>> @@ -16,6 +17,7 @@
>>>>               #size-cells = <1>;
>>>>               ranges = <0x7e000000 0x20000000 0x02000000>;
>>>>               dma-ranges = <0x40000000 0x00000000 0x20000000>;
>>>> +             u-boot,dm-pre-reloc;
>>>
>>> Why do you need this and why should upstream carry your favourite
>>> bootloaders configuration? This is in no way hardware description.
>>
>> I'm not sure how much you know about U-Boot, so let me know if you
>> need more info.
>>
>> U-Boot normally starts up by setting up its serial UART and displaying
>> a banner message. At this stage typically only a few devices are
>> initialised (e.g. maybe just the UART). It then relocates itself to
>> the top of memory and starts up all the devices. It throws away any
>> previous devices that it set up before relocation and starts again.
>>
>> U-Boot uses a thing called driver model (dm) which handles driver
>> binding and probing. Driver model has the device tree and would
>> normally scan through it and create devices for everything it finds.
>>
>> Before relocation we don't need every device. Also the CPU is often
>> running slowly, perhaps without the cache enabled. SDRAM may not be
>> available yet so space is short. We want to avoid starting up things
>> that will not be used.
>>
>> So this property indicates that the device is needed before relocation
>> and should be set up by driver model. We need it to avoid a very slow
>> and memory-hungry startup.
>>
>> As to why upstream should accept it, my understanding of upstream is
>> that people can send patches to it and in fact are encouraged to do
>> so, to avoid misunderstandings and duplication. The device tree files
>> are stored in Linux so any binding or source file changes should end
>> up there. Otherwise the files tend to diverge and we end up with
>> multiple bindings and multiple versions of the same source file.
>
> On many platforms, we have U-Boot SPL running first, then the main
> U-Boot. The main U-Boot binary contains both the code to do the
> relocation and the binary that runs after relocation. It seems like it'd
> be simpler to split these up into 3 binaries that each do a single job:
>
> 1) SPL, roughly as-is today (varying jobs depending on platform)
>
> 2) Relocator, which does nothing but work out where to copy U-Boot,
> memcpy()s it there, relocates the image (if not PIE), and jumps to it.
>
> 3) The main U-Boot.
>
> Item (2) above should be simple enough that it can use a very simple
> debug mechanism rather like DEBUG_LL in the Linux kernel. Similar to
> what Rob mentioned in his email.
>
> Item (3) could use DM and DT/ACPI/... to get device information in a
> complete non-hard-coded manner.

This comment does no seem to relate to my patch. We could certainly
re-architect U-Boot to work this way. There are  lot of reasons why
U-Boot works as it does and many platforms don't have SPL.

Relating what you said to the current U-Boot, your item (2) is
analogous to us not setting up driver model before relocation at all,
and just having a debug UART. That's a huge topic though, well beyond
the scope of my original patch. I think it would be better for you to
start a thread on the U-Boot mailing list with your proposal. At least
on x86 (which has no SPL) there are all sorts of things that currently
happen before relocation.

Regards,
Simon
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