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Date:	Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:21:48 +0200
From:	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>
To:	"Gabriel L. Somlo" <somlo@....edu>
Cc:	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@...hat.com>,
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	Kumar Gala <galak@...eaurora.org>, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
	Leif Lindholm <leif.lindholm@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] SysFS driver for QEMU fw_cfg device

On 19 August 2015 at 22:49, Gabriel L. Somlo <somlo@....edu> wrote:
> Hi Ard,
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:42:02AM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> (missed some cc's)
>>
>> On 19 August 2015 at 11:38, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org> wrote:
>> > From: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <somlo@....edu>
>> >> Several different architectures supported by QEMU are set up with a
>> >> "firmware configuration" (fw_cfg) device, used to pass configuration
>> >> "blobs" into the guest by the host running QEMU.
>> >>
>> >> Historically, these config blobs were mostly of interest to the guest
>> >> BIOS, but since QEMU v2.4 it is possible to insert arbitrary blobs via
>> >> the command line, which makes them potentially interesting to userspace
>> >> (e.g. for passing early boot environment variables, etc.).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Does 'potentially interesting' mean you have a use case? Could you elaborate?
>
> My personal one would be something like:
>
> cat > guestinfo.txt << EOT
>   KEY1="val1"
>   KEY2="val2"
>   ...
> EOT
>
> qemu-system-x86_64 ... -fw-cfg name="opt/guestinfo",file=./guestinfo.txt ...
>
> Then, from inside the guest:
>
>   . /sys/firmware/qemu_fw_cfg/by_name/opt/guestinfo/raw
>
>   do_something_with $KEY1 $KEY2
>   ...
>
> But I'm thinking this is only one of the many positive things one
> could do with the ability to access random host-supplied blobs from
> guest userspace :)
>

'random host-supplied blobs' sounds awfully like files in a file
system to me, and that is already supported by QEMU and works with any
guest OS unmodified. If you are in control of the command line, surely
you can add a -drive xxx,fat:path/to/blobs -device xxx pair that
simply turns up as a volume.

>> >>   1/3 - probes for the qemu fw_cfg device in locations known to work on
>> >>       the supported architectures, in decreasing order of "likelihood".
>> >>
>> >>       While it *may* be possible to detect the presence of fw_cfg via
>> >>       acpi or dtb (on x86 and arm, respectively), there's no way I know
>> >>       of attempting that on sun4 and ppc/mac, so I've stuck with simply
>> >>       probing (the fw_cfg_modes[] structure and fw_cfg_io_probe() function)
>> >>       in fw_cfg.c. I could use some advice on how else that could be
>> >>       done more elegantly, if needed.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sorry, but this is really out of the question, at least on ARM, but surely on
>> > other architectures as well. You can't just go around and probe random memory
>> > addresses. Perhaps QEMU tolerates it, but on anything that resembles a real
>> > system, this will immediately blow up. Also, what happens if the QEMU memory
>> > map changes? Add more probes addresses?
>> >
>> > It is not /that/ difficult to simply wire it up to the DT and ACPI
>> > infrastructures, there are plenty of examples in the kernel tree how to
>> > accomplish that. As a bonus, it removes all the arch specific knowledge
>> > from your code, which means that if QEMU grows support for another DT or
>> > ACPI based architecture, it will just work.
>
> I was *hoping* a successful call to request_[mem_]region() will be
> enough in the way of asking for permission before probing for the
> fw_cfg registers, but I realize that might still not be polite enough :)
>

No, all request_mem_region() does is check whether the region in
question is not occupied yet by another driver. So your probing could
access unpopulated memory space, or MMIO space owned by a peripheral
whose driver is not loaded. Neither are allowable, I'm afraid.

> DT on ARM is fine, and I'm certainly happy to learn how to do it (even
> though my main focus is, for now, x86). The unfortunate thing though
> is that on x86, fw_cfg is *not* AFAICT in ACPI, so I'd have to detour into
> first adding it in on the host side, before I can rewrite the guest side
> driver to look it up in there :)
>
>> > I am not sure how relevant sun4 and ppc/mac are for what you are trying to
>> > accomplish, but perhaps it would be best to focus on x86 and ARM for now
>> > and do it correctly. If the probing is actually needed, you can always add
>> > it later.
>
> I guess that's the direction things seem to be headed, although it would
> make me a bit sad to leave out sun and ppc right from the very beginning :)
>

Sorry to be blunt, but I am not convinced there is a need for this
driver anyway.

> PS. If you have one .c file in the kernel which does any of the DT-on-arm
> boilerplate I'm supposed to immitate, I'd appreciate the shortcut :)
>

Check out drivers/tty/serial/amba-pl011.c

> PS2. Do you happen to be in Seattle right now ? :)

Nope :-)
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