linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/3] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy

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Date:	Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:18:21 +0200
From:	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@...il.com>
To:	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
Cc:	Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@...il.com>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>, lizefan@...wei.com,
	cgroups <cgroups@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team <kernel-team@...com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified
 hierarchy

On Mon, 2015-08-24 at 13:04 -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Austin.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:47:02AM -0400, Austin S Hemmelgarn wrote:
> > >Just to learn more, what sort of hypervisor support threads are we
> > >talking about?  They would have to consume considerable amount of cpu
> > >cycles for problems like this to be relevant and be dynamic in numbers
> > >in a way which letting them competing against vcpus makes sense.  Do
> > >IO helpers meet these criteria?
> > >
> > Depending on the configuration, yes they can.  VirtualBox has some rather
> > CPU intensive threads that aren't vCPU threads (their emulated APIC thread
> > immediately comes to mind), and so does QEMU depending on the emulated
> 
> And the number of those threads fluctuate widely and dynamically?
> 
> > hardware configuration (it gets more noticeable when the disk images are
> > stored on a SAN and served through iSCSI, NBD, FCoE, or ATAoE, which is
> > pretty typical usage for large virtualization deployments).  I've seen cases
> > first hand where the vCPU's can make no reasonable progress because they are
> > constantly getting crowded out by other threads.

Hm. Serious CPU starvation would seem to require quite a few hungry
threads, but even a few IO threads with kick butt hardware under them
could easily tilt fairness heavily in favor of VPUs generating IO.

> That alone doesn't require hierarchical resource distribution tho.
> Setting nice levels reasonably is likely to alleviate most of the
> problem.

Unless the CPU controller is in use.

	-Mike

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